View Poll Results: Why have you decided not to use illegal drugs?

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  • Because I hear horror stories about addiction to them

    15 25.86%
  • Because I know people personally who have suffered from addiction.

    17 29.31%
  • Because I am perfectly happy and serene without them (If it ain't broke...)

    31 53.45%
  • Because the consequences of their being illegal make life miserable for addicts

    12 20.69%
  • Simply because they are illegal

    11 18.97%
  • Other (specify in the thread if you would like)

    20 34.48%
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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Far less addicting than cocaine? And you would know this how, exactly? I've tried all three of these drugs and I can tell you for a fact that quitting smoking was far harder than choosing not to use cocaine on a regular basis. The same can be said of alcohol. I will drink beer for as long as I live, can't say the same thing for cocaine. It's not the drug itself that is addicting, it's the subjective value assigned by the user to the feeling the drug illicits. Blaming drugs for the actions of the user is like blaming a woman's purse for a robbery. It makes absolutely no sense at all.
    So its not the drug that's addicting, its the effect the drug has on the user? That's fine if you wish to clarify. To be honest crime, robbery, and murder are not my reasoning for banning drugs such as Cocaine. It is the adverse effects they have on a person's role in society. Most people who do hard drugs become a burden on society and (i believe) waste their personal worth away on getting "high".

    There is no debate. Drug laws are unconstitutional and nonsensical. You have no legal or practical argument to support your position. It's based purely on rhetoric and emotion. Furthermore, even if you did have a practical argument to support your position the lack of a legal one negates your premise in its entirety. The government does not retain the authority to ban the use of drugs, period.
    Do you also believe the government has no obligation to protect the consumer from fraud and producer negligence. Would you legalize Cocaine and then have the government oversee its purity to make sure you don't die from a bad dose?

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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    "Crack is an extremely powerful drug. Crack addiction is inevitable; once an individual has tried crack they may be unable to predict or control the extent to which they will continue to use. Crack is probably the most addictive substance yet devised." - crack withdrawal, Crack Detox & crack withdrawal symptoms by addiction withdrawal.com
    Crack and cocaine are two different drugs. Crack is way worse than cocaine. I said cocaine and not crack for a reason.



    So what? I have seen people get beat up for stealing allot of things. Not the same thing.
    Like a crack pipe?



    Just like crack?

    "Crack withdrawal symptoms include but are not limited to:

    agitation
    depression
    intense craving for the drug
    extreme fatigue
    anxiety
    angry outbursts
    lack of motivation
    nausea/vomiting
    shaking
    irritability
    muscle pain
    disturbed sleep
    Way worse than crack withdrawal. (I've seen that too). Plus cocaine is not the same as crack. It's a derivitave of cocaine, but it is not the same.
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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Cocaine and Nicotine have similar withdrawals. The difference, IMO, is that nicotine, if made illegal, probably wouldn't really get used by anyone but the curent addicts. There is nowhere near as much effect to the drug as their is with cocaine.

    Over time, an all-out ban on cigarettes would probably have a long-term effect on curbing use, whereas Cocaine has a more obvious immediate pleasure.

    Heroin and alcohol are comparable in withdrawals, and they are quite brutal. The difference is that heroin is far more addictive.
    So with Cocaine's obvious edge in terms of instant gratification, would it not be safe to say Cocaine use would increase significantly with its legalization? Smoking increased significantly due to social pressures. A product with the addictive potential of nicotine and the pleasure potential of sex would quickly rise in use, no?

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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Doh! I don't know what I was thinking either.



    "Crack is an extremely powerful drug. Crack addiction is inevitable; once an individual has tried crack they may be unable to predict or control the extent to which they will continue to use. Crack is probably the most addictive substance yet devised." - crack withdrawal, Crack Detox & crack withdrawal symptoms by addiction withdrawal.com



    So what? I have seen people get beat up for stealing allot of things. Not the same thing.



    Just like crack?

    "Crack withdrawal symptoms include but are not limited to:

    agitation
    depression
    intense craving for the drug
    extreme fatigue
    anxiety
    angry outbursts
    lack of motivation
    nausea/vomiting
    shaking
    irritability
    muscle pain
    disturbed sleep


    OMG, for the fifth time. We are talking about powder cocaine(regular cocaine), not crack cocaine, which is something completely different.
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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    You have got to be kidding? Your response has little to do with my reply and really ignores my response.
    My response was an attempt to highlight the contradictory nature of your position. You are using the negative side effects of crack cocaine as a rationale for its criminalization whilst ignoring the side effects of legalized drugs. I have never once heard an argument for the criminalization of drugs that actually remained consistent in its logic; your position is no exception.

    Because alcoholics so readily seek help?
    Perhaps if I had used the word "readily" you might have a point, but alas, you do not. Furthermore, alcoholics are more likely to seek help than crack addicts because there is a socially encouraged support network should they choose to utilize it. The stigma and illegality of crack use discourages people from rendering assistance to addicts. It also discourages addicts from seeking help.

    Obviously you did not bother to read anything else and jumped to a silly conclusion.
    I'm sorry. Perhaps you could better clarify your position for me. Why do you believe drug use should be criminalized and how do you reconcile this with the contradictory aspect of making exceptions (cigarettes and alcohol) to your rule?

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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    So with Cocaine's obvious edge in terms of instant gratification, would it not be safe to say Cocaine use would increase significantly with its legalization? Smoking increased significantly due to social pressures. A product with the addictive potential of nicotine and the pleasure potential of sex would quickly rise in use, no?
    Not if the legality is regulated, like the legality of cigarettes and alcohol also should be..
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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    So with Cocaine's obvious edge in terms of instant gratification, would it not be safe to say Cocaine use would increase significantly with its legalization? Smoking increased significantly due to social pressures. A product with the addictive potential of nicotine and the pleasure potential of sex would quickly rise in use, no?
    I don't think so. Legality doesn't really effect who uses a drug, from my experience. But with legality comes more effective regulation.

    A drug store clerk would not risk his livelihood by selling cocaine to a minor, just as he wouldn't sell nicotine to a minor, but no such stop-gaps exist for the average cocaine dealer, who is breaking the law already, so why not sell the little kid some coke?
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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    So its not the drug that's addicting, its the effect the drug has on the user? That's fine if you wish to clarify. To be honest crime, robbery, and murder are not my reasoning for banning drugs such as Cocaine. It is the adverse effects they have on a person's role in society. Most people who do hard drugs become a burden on society and (i believe) waste their personal worth away on getting "high".



    Do you also believe the government has no obligation to protect the consumer from fraud and producer negligence. Would you legalize Cocaine and then have the government oversee its purity to make sure you don't die from a bad dose?
    All this brings us into a another and more complex debate where things such as lack of education ,overweight and bad health in general, lifestyles and so on have to be brought into the mix. Lots of people who do not use drugs live horrible and worthless lives and equally have a negative effect on the society.
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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I don't think so. Legality doesn't really effect who uses a drug, from my experience. But with legality comes more effective regulation.

    A drug store clerk would not risk his livelihood by selling cocaine to a minor, just as he wouldn't sell nicotine to a minor, but no such stop-gaps exist for the average cocaine dealer, who is breaking the law already, so why not sell the little kid some coke?
    The way I see it, with legality comes commercialization. Will advertising be banned? Who will produce it? The fact is it will quickly become a lucrative practice. Do you think capitalism and commercialization will not come into play if it is legalized?

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    Re: What Are Our Reasons That We Choose Not To Use Illegal Drugs

    I am kind of amused by people who think their lives are so inadequate that they have to enhance them eith drugs (either illegal or legal).

    I don't do illegal drugs. I also don't drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes. (No, I am NOT Baptist)
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