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    Re: Should you be fired for how you voted in a election or ballot issue?

    Ballots are secret for a reason. A person can't be fired for how they voted. However, they can be fired for espousing those political beliefs in an unprofessional way when they should be working.

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    Re: Should you be fired for how you voted in a election or ballot issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Ballots are secret for a reason. A person can't be fired for how they voted. However, they can be fired for espousing those political beliefs in an unprofessional way when they should be working.
    So, if the person in question arrived early to work and someone else did, too, and they were discussing prop 8 and one voted for it and the other against it, neither one should be fired, right, because neither one can be said to have wasted the company's time?

    And, if both people weren't early and they were discussing their votes on company time (God forbid), they should both be fired because they equally 'stole' from the company?

    Whatever.

    Conversation about all matters of life is a normal part of everyday human activity. We are humans, not corporate automotons.

    Ballots are secret to that you don't have to reveal who or what you voted for if you do not wish to. Not so that you need to be afraid to. What kind of twisted craziness got you to think the latter rather than the former?
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    Re: Should you be fired for how you voted in a election or ballot issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    So, if the person in question arrived early to work and someone else did, too, and they were discussing prop 8 and one voted for it and the other against it, neither one should be fired, right, because neither one can be said to have wasted the company's time?

    And, if both people weren't early and they were discussing their votes on company time (God forbid), they should both be fired because they equally 'stole' from the company?

    Whatever.

    Conversation about all matters of life is a normal part of everyday human activity. We are humans, not corporate automotons.

    Ballots are secret to that you don't have to reveal who or what you voted for if you do not wish to. Not so that you need to be afraid to. What kind of twisted craziness got you to think the latter rather than the former?
    I notice you completely glossed over the whole "in an unprofessional way". When you get around to reading the whole post before responding, get back to me.

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    Re: Should you be fired for how you voted in a election or ballot issue?

    I would be very interested to see what a lot of these termination papers actually say about the person fired and the company's reason for doing so. I would imagine it has less to do with how these people voted and more to do with how they espoused their beliefs inappropriately or to parties who did not solicit their strong opinions.

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    Re: Should you be fired for how you voted in a election or ballot issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I notice you completely glossed over the whole "in an unprofessional way". When you get around to reading the whole post before responding, get back to me.
    I am sorry, I did gloss over that part. I guess it was because I assumed you were addressing the context of the thread.

    "In an unprofessional way" is irrelevant to this discussion, really, because we don't know for sure how the person in question was behaving. According to the article, alongside the OP, we are led to believe we should be discussing the matter of being fired for political views in general, not the special case of how professionally we present them at the work place.

    However, in that matter you are right. If a person is egregiously unprofessional in how they are presenting their views, they should probably be fired. Like, if they are constantly bringing it up and are spending hours passionately arguing about it or writing emails or what have you. Or, if they are told by their boss, "Hey, I think we've spent enough work time discussing issue X, let's drop it in favor of being productive", and they refuse to do so.

    But, I do think that sometimes employers are the ones who make the mistake of using their power over people in order to influence which ideas are heard. While I am fully on the side of the employer's political views in this case, I do not believe that the bigoted views of the employees should be silenced by them. Or made more quiet. Or whatever

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    Re: Should you be fired for how you voted in a election or ballot issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I am sorry, I did gloss over that part. I guess it was because I assumed you were addressing the context of the thread.
    I did address the context of the thread. You simply glossed over the post. Thanks for trying to deflect your own failure, though.

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    Re: Should you be fired for how you voted in a election or ballot issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Ballots are secret for a reason. A person can't be fired for how they voted. However, they can be fired for espousing those political beliefs in an unprofessional way when they should be working.
    20/20 quarterbacking on my part here: Imo a better way for the employee to handle it would have been to keep their political views to herself and simply file a harassment complaint against the employer for continually asking how she voted.

    I hope she sues this employer for everything they have so too set an example.

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    Re: Should you be fired for how you voted in a election or ballot issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I did address the context of the thread. You simply glossed over the post. Thanks for trying to deflect your own failure, though.
    Jallman, the OP is pretty clear about the sort of circumstance that we're discussing here. You are bringing in a really completely new circumstance, which as I said has nothing to do with what was happening here. Yes, I did read through your post too quickly, but I did so with the natural human tendency of thinking that you were staying on topic.

    We weren't discussing whether unprofessional behaving people were disrupting the workplace with their views. We were discussing the situation where the story was that the employee was repeatedly asked their view and when it was finally revealed, the employee was fired for that view.

    I do think that your topic is worth discussing, but don't be surprised that someone misses your attempt to change the subject on the first go 'round of reading your post. And don't be a jerk about it when they do.

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    Re: Should you be fired for how you voted in a election or ballot issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Jallman, the OP is pretty clear about the sort of circumstance that we're discussing here.
    Actually, it's not. It states that employees believed they were fired for their support of Prop 8. Also, it references WorldNet Daily as the source.

    I am automatically suspicious of anything espoused by WND. I highly doubt there is a rash of firings over how someone voted...especially in California where it takes an act of congress to fire anyone.

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    Re: Should you be fired for how you voted in a election or ballot issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Having faith in the general public and the common Man, it is my firm belief that when the average person is given information they perhaps did not already possess, that their views may adjust to reflect the new information.

    The concepts you each possess are not without merit, and are in fact the case exactly, in the majority of States. After researching the issue I admit my error in assuming that the Federal government prevented private employers from political discrimination against their employees. It appears that this is a State issue.



    This specific employer, residing in California, must comply with the following:



    Terminating an employee for the expressed and sole reason of lawfully casting a vote in opposition to the employer’s political views is a clear violation of this statute.
    I could be mistaken but I believe the question is do I believe someone should be able to be fired because of the way they voted and not what the law currently states about it.
    To have a law that says an employer can't fire someone because of their stated political positions ignores the fact that that position could have a negative impact on the business. The employer may have a large amount of gay clientele and the employees statement that he voted for prop 8 could cause him to lose those clients and the revenue they generate. For a business based in San Francisco this is completely plausible. We only have one side of the story so we don't really know what the true situation is.

    From the same article:
    The Los Angeles Times reported the story of El Coyote, a coffee shop that became a target of protest after the manager's name was put on a blacklist for giving $100 to support Proposition 8. Mobs of protesters harassed El Coyote's customers, shouting "shame on you," until police in riot gear settled the crowd.

    The customers, the Times reports, abandoned the once-thriving business, and now El Coyote's 89 employees, some of them openly homosexual, have had their hours cut and face layoffs if the customers don't return soon.

    Advocates for homosexual marriage have even set up a website, AntiGayBlacklist.com, which lists hundreds of California residents, churches and businesses that donated money to the Proposition 8 campaign, urging sympathizers not to patronize those on the list.
    If a person is going to go by the law in California, shouldn't the protesters and people that set up that website also be held liable for people losing their jobs?

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