That sould be fun if those get hit with rockets and put into the ground, killing civilians and losing Israeli lives as well as money on something that didn't need to be done in a more dangerous way.
Maybe, there's got to be ways of getting small forces into enemy territory. It's not like it's completely unheard of.
Thank god you're not a commander in the military.
Yeah I know, thinking of your people's well being sure does suck.
Ah, so you believe a government should view its citizens lives as equal to any other countries people? That they should willingly put their people into harms way, and potentially have the enemy be able to get a captive they can use to ransom, propogandize, and extract information out of to cut down possible civilian casualities?
I don't think either government is interested in their own civilians. What Israel does only shakes the bee hive, they'll have more attacks and thus have put their citizens in greater risk because of it. Neither side seems entirely interested in solution.
Maybe I'm crazy, but I want my government looking out for the well being of my country and its people first and foremost, and the country of those attacking me second.
A government should look out for its people. But you have to consider the full of your actions and repercussions of those actions. Sometimes if you just feed into the circle, you do nothing to protect your people but rather continue to perpetuate the environment which has already put them at risk to attack.
You're correct, it isn't fair. Yet you keep trying to say its not "fair" that israel killed more than palestine did.
No, I'm merely saying that Israel isn't innocent.
You're right, if its an apartment you're screwed. So you're saying risk Israeli lives to do something that's likely going to cost palestinian livse anyways.
I truly think that both sides have ****ed themselves over good. They really are in a no win situation less they both grow up and drop this whole mess. Israel's not going anywhere, it exists; deal with it. Both sides did horrible things, it sucks, move on. But rather it seems that both sides are more than happy to have their never ending war since neither seems mature enough to try to end this.
In regards to manufacturing, to me that would be a complete military target if its purpose is producing tanks and such and as such I *think* we don't disagree that targetting that's fine.
Part of the military industrial complex is legitimate military targets. You may have civilians working in a factory, but if that factory is churning out war machines, then it is a legitimate military target.
No, its not good 300 people died (though I think I just read the UN number is closer to 60). Its not good, nor proper, either for Israeli's to live assulted by rockets daily simply because they don't kill as many.
I don't think it is fair for Israel to live under assault either. But they must try to realize what their actions are doing. The consequences of their actions is not bringing conclusion; it's just exacerbating the situation. What do they do? Maybe they really do have to turn the other cheek. I don't see a way out for them other then both sides agreeing to drop it (well genocide would probably work too...but that's actually really hard to do).
No, its not going to solve the long term problem. Guess what, NOT reacting to it likely isn't going to solve the long term problem either. However reacting may help the short term problem, where as NOt acting most definitely won't be helping the short term problem.
Not reacting in the short term doesn't do much to solve the problem. But maybe they should explore more humanitarian solutions; attack the propaganda which gets people to side with terrorists over the State. Then again, a lot of this crap is just institutionalize religious crap; so who's to say. Maybe Israel should just say "**** it" and wipe the whole of them out (though they should do it with their own damned equipment).
Is it good? No, its rarely ever good for people to die. Is it proper? In some ways yes...it is proper for a country to rise to the defense of its people by any means it has. Lets see anywhere close to the amount of condemnation and critisim for Israel come out of you towards Hamas/Palestine for being the ones that are actually CHOOSING to cause Civilians to be wrapped up in this thing in the first place. This discussion wouldn't even be happening if Hamas wasn't purposefully taking advantage of civilian areas.
I'm all for defense, but I think defense must come with solution in mind. In reality, I think both sides here have lost sight of solution and fight only because that's what they've been doing for so long.
Maybe you're right in the end; who's to say what's right and wrong. I don't think Israel shouldn't defend itself; but the level at which they respond is so grandiose that it can only harm them in the long run. The whole god damned area needs to grow up and act like adults.