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    Re: What is the proper response to Hamas rockets?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Israel could conduct more precise military attacks which target Hamas and not civilians. Instead of carpet bombing, send in troops to apprehend criminals.
    Troops are not for arresting criminals. They are for causing vast destruction, death, suffering and most importantly, enormous contrition in one's enemies.

    Precise strikes are part of the problem. The general Palestinian population seem to support these savages, (making them savages themselves, of course.) All Palestinians who survive this war need to understand that their model of politics through terror is probably only going to win them land in the form of unmarked, communal graves.
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    Re: What is the proper response to Hamas rockets?

    Powell Doctrine

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: What is the proper response to Hamas rockets?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Troops are not for arresting criminals. They are for causing vast destruction, death, suffering and most importantly, enormous contrition in one's enemies.

    Precise strikes are part of the problem. The general Palestinian population seem to support these savages, (making them savages themselves, of course.) All Palestinians who survive this war need to understand that their model of politics through terror is probably only going to win them land in the form of unmarked, communal graves.
    You are correct in that military is not designed to be a policing force. This role is becoming increasingly necessary in 21st century warfare however. Clearly overwhelming the enemy in a decisive battle is not successful in bringing peace to this conflict.

    Hamas is currently the best option available to Gazans. Unless another option presents itself that would ensure security and prosperity they will always be forced to chose the lesser of two evils. Fortunately the majority of the world upholds the Geneva convention and would never justify the killing of Palestinians all Palestinians due to the actions of a minority.

    As for the "proper response" to Hamas rockets: The proper response is one that will realistically lead to the peaceful coexistence of Palestinians and Israelis. This solution will likely not include Hamas as a governing party.

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    Re: What is the proper response to Hamas rockets?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I've had a few debates with people in (in "real life"), and as I'm an artist and generally keep artists for company, I'm pretty much alone in my position that Israel has the right to eradicate active threats to its people. The discussion always devolves into who threw spitballs at whom first, (e.g. "Hasn't Israel had a tendency to overreact in the past?" as if that has any bearing on what's going on right now) and the fact that Hamas was launching rockets at Israeli population centers during the course of the cease fire is ignored or waved aside.

    So, forget who was naughty first. Hamas launches rockets at Israel.

    If military retaliation is not the correct response, then what is?
    The correct course of action is a military one that puts Israeli troops in the least amount of harms way. Obviously sending in troops puts Israeli troops in the greatest amount of danger verses just bombing the sites of where the terrorist are. As far as I know no one is holding a gun to the civilians forcing to stay where ever Hamas has it's terrorist stationed.So since they basically agree to stay there then obviously they agree to human shields. As human shields they must suffer the consequences of being humans,this will perhaps discourage future usage of human shields.

    I do not buy into the hoopla of the terrorist sympathizers that Israel is using disproportionate response. Why should Israel endanger themselves or any of their personal anymore than they have to in order to wipe out a threat?They do not owe the Palestinians any favors. The Palestinians support Hamas, the Palestinians elected Hamas to various offices and the Palestinians obviously tolerate terrorist launching attacks at Israel from the roof tops of their buildings.
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    Re: What is the proper response to Hamas rockets?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I do not buy into the hoopla of the terrorist sympathizers that Israel is using disproportionate response. Why should Israel endanger themselves or any of their personal anymore than they have to in order to wipe out a threat?They do not owe the Palestinians any favors. The Palestinians support Hamas, the Palestinians elected Hamas to various offices and the Palestinians obviously tolerate terrorist launching attacks at Israel from the roof tops of their buildings.
    Those who sympathize with the people of Gaza are not terrorist sympathizers. I suggest you learn the distinction as your comment is offensive and unwelcome.

    The glaring flaw to your logic is that Israel chose its homeland to be in the heart of the ME. It has created the boundaries between Palestine and itself. It has a responsibility to fix the problems it has creating by displacing and blockading the people of Gaza.

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    Re: What is the proper response to Hamas rockets?

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Those who sympathize with the people of Gaza are not terrorist sympathizers. I suggest you learn the distinction as your comment is offensive and unwelcome.

    The glaring flaw to your logic is that Israel chose its homeland to be in the heart of the ME. It has created the boundaries between Palestine and itself. It has a responsibility to fix the problems it has creating by displacing and blockading the people of Gaza.
    Israel appears to be fixing things right now as a matter of fact.

    Personally, if I discounted all other historical claims of the Jews to Israel Antiqua, I'd still have awarded that real estate to them as wereguild for the Arab nations' support of the Nazi Pogroms in World War II. To be fair I'd have given them at least a quarter of Germany too. And maybe a little bit of France.

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    Re: What is the proper response to Hamas rockets?

    I have the perfect solution....After they've been on a peace break for awhile...next time Isreal can randomly launch a bunch of rockets over there.
    If hamas politely asks..please don't do that and Isreal keeps launching a few more over there. If hamas says a little more firmly..don't do that and Isreal keeps launching a few more over there. Hamas sees it's not going to stop and takes affirmative action..Isreal cries to the world Hamas is so mean....what did we do to deserve this!!!!

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    Re: What is the proper response to Hamas rockets?

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Those who sympathize with the people of Gaza are not terrorist sympathizers.
    When posters whine about disproportionate response and all that other nonsense one has to wonder. Seeing how the Palestinians choose to elect terrorist,choose to tolerate their presence in their neighborhoods while they launch attacks into another country and choose to willingly make themselves human shields they are basically an accessory to terrorism and therefor terrorist sympathizers.

    I suggest you learn the distinction as your comment is offensive and unwelcome.
    Oh please,spare me the phony outrage. If you defend terrorist actions then you are a terrorist apologist/sympathizer.When you defend people who willingly aid terrorist by electing them to office,letting them launch mortar attacks from the rooftops of their buildings and let themselves be willing human shields you are a terrorist apologist. If those people had any sense they would move any time they see some terrorist on their rooftop launching attacks and they wouldn't elect terrorist to office.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: What is the proper response to Hamas rockets?

    Nature's law is "might makes right". Nature will take its
    course. Neither side in the Israel question is interested
    in defying Nature's Law.
    Take the red pill.

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    Re: What is the proper response to Hamas rockets?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Troops are not for arresting criminals. They are for causing vast destruction, death, suffering and most importantly, enormous contrition in one's enemies.

    Precise strikes are part of the problem. The general Palestinian population seem to support these savages, (making them savages themselves, of course.) All Palestinians who survive this war need to understand that their model of politics through terror is probably only going to win them land in the form of unmarked, communal graves.
    Many Palestinians have lost friends and family to Israeli attack. They would take the opposition by default. If someone kills your family, you probably aren't going to take too kindly to them. As I said, this is now nothing more than a vicious circle and both sides are feeding into it. The only real solution, the only way to get it to stop, is for both sides to drop it. But that's not got much of a chance of happening.
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