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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm one conservative that hasn't been shown why more taxes are needed. I haven't seen any data either way. I don't know the problem which is said to exist, I haven't seen estimates on the cost of repairs, nor have I seen the proposed actions Obama would like to make.
    Here's the problem as I would define it: Our roads, bridges, and levies are falling apart, and there aren't enough highways in some cities. Our power grid is antiquated and has the potential to cause enormous regional blackouts. And our public transit system sucks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
    I haven't seen any real information on these new infrastructure projects Obama is looking to fund, only snippet of articles and various opinions from talking heads here and there; nothing really substantive.

    Most importantly, I haven't seen the estimated profit the economy will make through these projects.
    It's difficult to estimate something like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
    When you tell me that infrastructure is not profitable, that means the economy will not come out of the recession nor grow if these projects are implemented, so there's no point to carrying those plans out.

    If the economy will grow due to new infrastructure, then someone's making a profit, and I would very much appreciate it if you or anyone else in the know could put your finger on exactly who would stand to make exactly how much.
    You misunderstand what I mean by it not being profitable. It's unprofitable for any individual business to voluntarily pay for its own share of the infrastructure. But it's most definitely profitable for the economy as a whole for the government to fund infrastructure.

    That doesn't mean that there aren't any profits being made. Whomever the government hires/contracts to fix the roads will profit of course.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
    As a conservative I am not opposed to increased taxes when those taxes are in fact needed, but I still don't think a gas tax is the way to go. A gas tax will reduce gas consumption, which will in turn lower tax revenue, defeating the point of the tax.
    That is the main purpose of the gas tax, not to generate revenue. The extra revenue is only an incidental benefit, and the tax could even be made revenue-neutral if we cut payroll taxes by an equal amount. The main purpose *is* to reduce gas consumption.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
    Typically, the best way to increase tax revenue is to lower tax rates, so increasing any tax rate in the name of needing more money is counter intuitive.
    That is demonstrably false even for income taxes...and I've never even heard anyone claim that for a sales tax before. If this something-for-nothing approach for governance was correct, then we could eliminate all taxes and the government would be raking in the cash.
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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    That is the main purpose of the gas tax, not to generate revenue. The extra revenue is only an incidental benefit, and the tax could even be made revenue-neutral if we cut payroll taxes by an equal amount. The main purpose *is* to reduce gas consumption.
    Ok, so were not talking about needing to fund new infrastructure.

    Why does gas consumption need to go down?

    If you're going to respond with an environmental answer, then since I'm closed to those arguments please simply indicate such and spend your time preparing a sandwich

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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    No, tax revenues for roads should come from the business profits made using the roads. Not from people going back and forth to work or traveling.

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    fyi Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should tracking devices be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes?

    Now Gov. Ted Kulongoski says hed like the legislature to take the next step.

    As part of a transportation-related bill he has filed for the 2009 legislative session, the governor says he plans to recommend a path to transition away from the gas tax as the central funding source for transportation.
    HELL NO!!!!! -- An absolutely rotten and invasive idea.


    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Higher mileage vehicles translate into less money for the governement via gasoline taxes. This is simply a move by the government to assure it's income in the event a high percent of the good citizens really do start buying them.

    The principle is already in use. Anyone that travels turnpikes and uses EZPass or something similar is paying based on miles driven and their movements could be/are being easily tracked by the system.
    The smaller, lighter, higher mileage vehicles do a great deal less wear and tear on the roads. That should compensate for less revenue. Less revenue will also ensure fewer eminent domain seizures for projects we are better off without.

    The EZ Pass only tracks driving on the turnpike, so it is less invasive than a system that tracks everything. However, even the EZ Pass can be used to invade privacy.


    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    I'm not worried, as I just cannot see any possible way something like this could ever get abused.
    Want to bet? Have you ever looked at history and noticed the many STUPID and ABUSIVE laws that have been passed AND ENFORCED over the years?
    Last edited by ronpaulvoter; 01-05-09 at 10:54 AM.

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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Sounds like you have something to hide....
    Only from strange conservatives that want to invade my privacy for no reason.

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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonslayer View Post
    Only from strange conservatives that want to invade my privacy for no reason.
    Ahh I see, and are the supporters of installed GPS conservatives?

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    mad Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Guess what? This very thing was mentioned on the TV news last night.

    I say HELL NO !!!!! It is not only very expensive to implement; it is also an intolerable invasion of privacy. If anybody ever proposes this in your state, call the ACLU immediately.


    Also mentioned was a gas tax increase and more toll booths.

    If road taxes must be increased, the best, most effective, and simplest option is to raise fuel taxes.

    Of course, I don't support any increase. Almost every day, I see road projects being done that are totally unnecessary, or at least excessive.

    So the bottom line is: Keep the roads in good shape, but DO NOT keep building grandiose projects that condemn people's homes, consume our farmland, and keep costing and costing billions and billions of dollars to construct and maintain.

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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    The government better pay for my driveway repairs if this happens and pave the 3.1 mile, unpaved road to my house, too.
    My English is not always perfect, so please, try not to go nuts as I lack infallible grammar and spelling.

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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    there is no way that this will ever be done.....just because it is some politician has a stupid idea is no reason for him to be listened to...
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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    there is no way that this will ever be done.....just because it is some politician has a stupid idea is no reason for him to be listened to...
    What? Politicians have stupid ideas every day that are enacted into law.

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