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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    The point goes beyond that - unless the US govt system is completely different from any other democratically elected govt in the world?

    My point is that some processes and policies have a "rollover" - some policies may go beyond one political party and there is development rather than re-invention after a Govt is replaced by another.


    Which is sort of my point. When one administration changes I highly doubt that everything the previous administration did was absolute rubbish or is abandoned - some elements continue beyond the lifetime of left or right, conservative or centrist or liberal etc.

    Anyhow, thanks for the discussion.
    My original point was that no one who voted for Obama has any moral authority to complain when the economy tanks when these public works fail because those people are supporting the continuation of proven-failed policies of the past.

    I have no idea why you atempted flame with your time-traveler counter point as we apperantly agree

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    Last edited by Jerry; 01-01-09 at 10:14 AM.

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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Well that is just foolish. Not only is our reliance on oil bad for our economy (due to the negative effect on our balance of payments), it is also bad for our environment and national security.
    I'm right with you regarding foreign oil having control over our economy security. However, you need to know that every word directed at me regarding the environment is wasted, so please save them for someone willing to listen. There is no replacement for oil and everything it does, and nature pollutes itself far more than human industry with a single volcano belch, so I'm not open to that particular debate until one of those things changes.

    In any event, I fail to see the connection you are referring to between OPEC and internal tax revenue. Could you clarify that for me please?


    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    We could save a lot of money overseas with one simple act: Withdraw from Iraq. Health care is irrelevant to this debate; there is no reason we can't spend money on both health care and our infrastructure. And the people who would be receiving government health care are, for the most part, not the same people who would be paying the bulk of the taxes on infrastructure improvements, so your logic about "taking money out of their income" is flawed.
    There is no credibility in any argument which favors pulling out of Iraq now, as such arguments demonstrate a lack of understanding of the war that would follow and how the US would be pulled right back in.

    My example on healthcare was an example of how the government mismanages everything it touches, so that is a valid example. Another example is Social Security. Obama's proposed public works will be equally mis-managed for the same reasons: bearcats make decisions based on politics, not turning a profit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Once again I've yet to see you present any explanation as to why public works projects are "doomed," or present any alternative to fixing our infrastructure.
    As I've said many times, turn it over to the private sector and let capitol market forces take over.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Well personally I'm practical enough to see that it is in our nation's economic interests to have a functioning infrastructure system that can move people and freight from Point A to Point B quickly and cheaply, and that the private sector simply cannot do that on its own. That's why I support infrastructure improvements, and is why I'm a liberal. (Not to say that rational conservatives can't support that as well.)
    Just because the government can't do it doesn't mean I don't want it done. That doesn't follow so your claim is invalid.

    I see a difference between a government grant to a private industry and the government doing it itself; or over regulating the industry.

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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    How would GPS know whether a car is being towed or not?
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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    How would GPS know whether a car is being towed or not?
    It wouldn't differentiate, thats the point. Squeeze every penny you can out of people
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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    How would GPS know whether a car is being towed or not?
    Wouldn't matter, the car is still using the road, right?

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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    Wouldn't matter, the car is still using the road, right?
    Not on a train, airplane, or ferry.
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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Not on a train, airplane, or ferry.
    I would guess that until the car is sold...or at least arrives at a dealer, that these systems are off-line as no one is paying the bill.

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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I would guess that until the car is sold...or at least arrives at a dealer, that these systems are off-line as no one is paying the bill.
    They could read the odometer with an OnStar type system.
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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Not on a train, airplane, or ferry.
    Trains and ferries would be easy enough to differentiate because no road is in place where trains and ferries travel. A GPS system would surely be smart enough to determine if a path of travel was along a road or a railway or over water.
    I am not sure automobile travel by plane would be widespread enough to even worry about.

    GOVCO shouldn't be installing GPS in private cars anyway.

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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm right with you regarding foreign oil having control over our economy security. However, you need to know that every word directed at me regarding the environment is wasted, so please save them for someone willing to listen. There is no replacement for oil and everything it does, and nature pollutes itself far more than human industry with a single volcano belch, so I'm not open to that particular debate until one of those things changes.

    In any event, I fail to see the connection you are referring to between OPEC and internal tax revenue. Could you clarify that for me please?
    Sure. If we have a gas tax to fund our infrastructure and public transit, it will reduce the demand for gasoline which will reduce the demand for oil which will deprive petrocrats of their main source of revenue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
    There is no credibility in any argument which favors pulling out of Iraq now, as such arguments demonstrate a lack of understanding of the war that would follow and how the US would be pulled right back in.
    I see. So you're against foreign aid except when you're not. That's fine, but it doesn't help your credibility when you rant about how foreign aid soaks up so much money, yet you support the biggest recipient of foreign aid of all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
    My example on healthcare was an example of how the government mismanages everything it touches, so that is a valid example. Another example is Social Security. Obama's proposed public works will be equally mis-managed for the same reasons: bearcats make decisions based on politics, not turning a profit.
    Infrastructure projects can almost never make enough profit for any specific business to justify the cost, which is why government manages it in the first place. Take, for example, the levies in New Orleans. Who in the private sector would find it profitable to repair them? The businesses in New Orleans? If I had a business in New Orleans, I would calculate that the cost of paying my share of the levy-repair is simply greater than the marginal benefit.

    Another example: Let's look at crumbling bridges in Minneapolis. Who is going to find it profitable to repair them? If I owned a nearby restaurant, why would I pay a dime to fix the bridge? There's a chance the nearby bridge won't collapse, and if it does some of my customers will find other ways of getting to me, and in either case the repair isn't worth the expense to me.

    Or let's look at the simplest example of all: A road with ten businesses on it. If I own one of the ten businesses, why should I pay to have it repaired? Why not let the other nine suckers pay for it?

    The government controls infrastructure specifically BECAUSE it isn't profitable...not the other way around.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
    As I've said many times, turn it over to the private sector and let capitol market forces take over.
    Perhaps I'm confused about what you're suggesting. Toll booths on every street corner in America?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry
    Just because the government can't do it doesn't mean I don't want it done. That doesn't follow so your claim is invalid.

    I see a difference between a government grant to a private industry and the government doing it itself; or over regulating the industry.
    I see very little difference, because they're essentially the same thing. I have no problem at all with the government hiring private contractors to do the work...that's what it does for a lot of its public works projects anyway.
    Last edited by Kandahar; 01-01-09 at 10:41 PM.
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