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Thread: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Are you saying Obama is a time traveler? He isn't (As Far As I Know) President yet so he can't have been involved in the decision to develop the technology unless he traveled back through time and started the process so he could then singlehandedly decide this GPS system would be used.
    The government is not a single person.

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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Yes you do.. Flying is a hazzle. Taking a train is just wonderful in comparison. IN France for example the longest route take 5 hours by train, from one side to another of the country. In comparison if you take a place, you have to check in beforehand, go through security, wait and all these things before you actually get in the air.. Total saving of time is perhaps 1 hour of those 5 hours to travel the same distance. And the hazzle and comfort factors are also important.

    The US is larger yes, but it makes sense to link the cities with trains going 350 km/h or more like they have in France.
    Meglev however is the future, they can speed up to 600 km/h as of today and the future potential of those railways with different trains are 1500 km/h.

    Flying is overrated. Even a big country like the US needs alternatives.
    Flying? Where did I support flying? I'm talking about local transit; a few blocks to a couple dozen miles.

    Maglev is the poster child of failed public transit, costing millions per mile. It's imposable to charge the average maglev rider a fee reflective of the costs because that fee would be so high that hardly anyone would ride it.

    The only way to keep the system running is to secure government subsidy, which is my point exactly. These systems are a drain on public funding and should be left to the private sector to develop if at all.

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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The government is not a single person.
    Thanks, that was my point too. If you read back to your "anyone who voted Obama has no right to complain" post you'll see why we agree.

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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Flying? Where did I support flying? I'm talking about local transit; a few blocks to a couple dozen miles.

    Maglev is the poster child of failed public transit, costing millions per mile. It's imposable to charge the average maglev rider a fee reflective of the costs because that fee would be so high that hardly anyone would ride it.

    The only way to keep the system running is to secure government subsidy, which is my point exactly. These systems are a drain on public funding and should be left to the private sector to develop if at all.
    All new technologies are expensive and difficult to manage. With time meglev will become a "normality".. Why not start installing the tracks? Its the train sets that need further development.

    If we think only profits all the time, like we currently do in the west, we can just as well hand over the future to countries like China and just sit around with a white flag.
    Subsidies is a good alternative to not doing anything great anymore.
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Thanks, that was my point too. If you read back to your "anyone who voted Obama has no right to complain" post you'll see why we agree.
    Well, we don't agree because supporting Obama™ is not supporting the man alone, but the entire administration, party ideals, and all related policies.

    Perhaps a more precise way for me to have worded my claim would have been "anyone who voted Democrat has no right to complain".

    I assumed that since Obama was the Democrat nominee that "vote Obama" = "vote Democrat" would have automatically been common knowledge. It appears that I was mistaken.

    To my point, though, Obama has surrounded himself with Clinton appointees of the past. This is nothing more than a continuation of previous policies and long term goals, not Change® at all.

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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    All new technologies are expensive and difficult to manage. With time meglev will become a "normality".. Why not start installing the tracks? Its the train sets that need further development.
    The monorail is cost prohibitive. That money would be better spent maintaining existing systems which cost less even though they are also failures.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    If we think only profits all the time, like we currently do in the west, we can just as well hand over the future to countries like China and just sit around with a white flag.
    Profit is not an end, it is a means to an end because of what profit does, like atract investors and create jobs.

    You speak of acquiring profit as though the money is simply stashed away in some rich white man's vault, never to be seen again. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Subsidies is a good alternative to not doing anything great anymore.
    Subsidy = debt; debt = economic slowdown, reduced tax revenue, increased inflation, fewer jobs, higher cost of living. To support subsidy is to oppose a strong economy, categorically. This is true for public transit, public education, public health care, etc.

    Profit = capitol; capitol = increased flow of money, higher tax revenue, decreased inflation, more jobs, lower cost of living. To support profit is to support a strong economy, categorically. This is true for private transit, private education, private health care, etc.

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    Not doing anything great anymore is the preferred alternative then subsidies because when you do nothing, you do not go into debt.

    I, however, do not support doing nothing.

    I don't see the issue as "subsidize or do nothing" as you apparently do. I see another option: Capitalism, which works every time it's tried.

    There is no need for the monorail, and even if there were a need, the cost is too high. I can't in good conscience support a high-tech Amtrak.
    Last edited by Jerry; 12-31-08 at 01:46 PM.

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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Well, we don't agree because supporting Obama™ is not supporting the man alone, but the entire administration, party ideals, and all related policies.

    Perhaps a more precise way for me to have worded my claim would have been "anyone who voted Democrat has no right to complain".

    I assumed that since Obama was the Democrat nominee that "vote Obama" = "vote Democrat" would have automatically been common knowledge. It appears that I was mistaken.

    To my point, though, Obama has surrounded himself with Clinton appointees of the past. This is nothing more than a continuation of previous policies and long term goals, not Change® at all.
    I see what you did there. Clever bastage you!
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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Shewter View Post
    I see what you did there. Clever bastage you!
    I still have no idea what your objecting to, or what you think I just did

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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I still have no idea what your objecting to, or what you think I just did
    No objections. I just like how you worded the post. I'm positive you "know what you did there" as well
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    Now apologize for apologizing!

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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Profit is not an end, it is a means to an end because of what profit does, like atract investors and create jobs.
    No point having jobs if your country stinks and is ston age like. Say 50 years from now, all of China is connected with super meglev, super metroes in the cities, they have had urban renewal making cities in Europe and the US look like relics of the past, they have spent huge amounts on space research and manned the moon and several planets, all their energy is renewable or nuclear, all their cars and small aircraft are electric and so fourth..

    Then we are in the west the same as we are now, with minimal progress, driving the same cars, just slightly changed, having no urban renewal, rather decline, taking old iron trains on rusty railways, no public transport and have finally managed to put another few men on the moon with help of the Chinese, our oil is running out and we only produce 10% of whats needed with renewbles while spending enourmous sums to find more oil, we wage wars in desperation because the military is now the only thing that keeps our economies going and so on and so on..

    Thats what happens if we only think profit, I promise you that. The decline of the west will come because of capitalism and profit merging, lack of ambitions, lack of huge prestige projects, lack of government investments and so on... Companies only look for profits.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Subsidy = debt;
    What? Are you MAD? Thats just not true, except for in badly managed economies with no fiscal responsibility, like say the US, the UK and Italy.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    debt = economic slowdown, reduced tax revenue, increased inflation, fewer jobs, higher cost of living. To support subsidy is to oppose a strong economy, categorically. This is true for public transit, public education, public health care, etc.
    True, just look at the UK and somewhat the US as well. Debt isnt all those things if countries do not take on TOO MUCH debt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I don't see the issue as "subsidize or do nothing" as you apparently do. I see another option: Capitalism, which works every time it's tried.

    Please point me to the post where I said that. I didnt.. I just think all economies would react well to some subsidies and huge government projects. Like for example China is doing so well.. They hardly built the tree georges dam out of love for profit, rather they built of for need and the benefit of their society. Georges dam is just one great example of Chinese willingness to think different. Capitalism as it is, is failing btw...

    Another example is state funded meglev trains being built and running on the Chinese east coast.
    Europe is illegally occupied by the US

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