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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    The 600 billion and counting that you spent in Iraq could have done all that.

    Which cities except New York in the US actually have a metro system, tram system and a bus system?
    Most cities have either a metro or a bus system (or neither) here...very few have both. And the ones that do generally have really bad systems.

    New York, Washington, and San Francisco have the best public transit IMO. This is mainly because geography prevents these cities from sprawling. Chicago also has a surprisingly decent metro system despite the massive urban sprawl. I've heard that Boston's transit system is pretty good too, although I haven't been there in years so I don't know.

    The worst public transit systems in my experience are found in geographically enormous cities in the southwest: Los Angeles, San Diego, Phoenix, and anywhere in Texas.
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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Most cities have either a metro or a bus system (or neither) here...very few have both. And the ones that do generally have really bad systems.

    New York, Washington, and San Francisco have the best public transit IMO. This is mainly because geography prevents these cities from sprawling. Chicago also has a surprisingly decent metro system despite the massive urban sprawl. I've heard that Boston's transit system is pretty good too, although I haven't been there in years so I don't know.

    The worst public transit systems in my experience are found in geographically enormous cities in the southwest: Los Angeles, San Diego, Phoenix, and anywhere in Texas.
    Of the big cities I have only been in Miami, Orlando and Atlanta. None of them have anything. Its ridiculous from a European perspective.

    Here most cities even in eastern Europe have both Bus and Tramway, and most cities in the west also have metros in addition, and some in the east also.
    Its quite normal for smaller cities to have a bus system which is well developed in addition to trams.. In addition there are trains between all European cities. In many countries they have trains going out even to the smallest cities. In Germany the infrastructure is just stunning.

    I was visiting a small town(40.000) in the former east of Germany. It was far from any big city, yet it was connected to an amazing train grid that could take you to any big city anywhere in the proximity of 300km, and there you could get transit to huge cities not only in Germany but in Europe. But th city, called Suhl that I visited had several trains going to tiny suburbs around it, in addition to buses of course. It was just amazing, the roads and sidewalks were also just perfect and nice. And this was all in the middle of nowhere! If you live there you dont actually need a car at all, you can get just about anywhere without one. Germany I think have the superior infrastructure of Europe, incredibly dense and well developed.
    I lived in Belgium and the Netherlands, they have trains between all small and large cities, even villages. The cities have trams, buses and metros, and the large cities have trains going to London, Paris(and other places in France), Western Germany and so on.. Its fabulous I must say. I was dissapointed when I lived in Ireland, they only had buses, and one major metro line in Dublin, and trams which only covered the inner city, and bad trains going between the cities. That was bad infrastructure in my eyes.

    When I was in the US I found it IMPOSSIBLE to get around without a car, the distances was also huge between any meaningful places in the same city.

    I find it strange the differences.
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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Of the big cities I have only been in Miami, Orlando and Atlanta. None of them have anything. Its ridiculous from a European perspective.

    Here most cities even in eastern Europe have both Bus and Tramway, and most cities in the west also have metros in addition, and some in the east also.
    Its quite normal for smaller cities to have a bus system which is well developed in addition to trams.. In addition there are trains between all European cities. In many countries they have trains going out even to the smallest cities. In Germany the infrastructure is just stunning.

    I was visiting a small town(40.000) in the former east of Germany. It was far from any big city, yet it was connected to an amazing train grid that could take you to any big city anywhere in the proximity of 300km, and there you could get transit to huge cities not only in Germany but in Europe. But th city, called Suhl that I visited had several trains going to tiny suburbs around it, in addition to buses of course. It was just amazing, the roads and sidewalks were also just perfect and nice. And this was all in the middle of nowhere! If you live there you dont actually need a car at all, you can get just about anywhere without one. Germany I think have the superior infrastructure of Europe, incredibly dense and well developed.
    I lived in Belgium and the Netherlands, they have trains between all small and large cities, even villages. The cities have trams, buses and metros, and the large cities have trains going to London, Paris(and other places in France), Western Germany and so on.. Its fabulous I must say. I was dissapointed when I lived in Ireland, they only had buses, and one major metro line in Dublin, and trams which only covered the inner city, and bad trains going between the cities. That was bad infrastructure in my eyes.

    When I was in the US I found it IMPOSSIBLE to get around without a car, the distances was also huge between any meaningful places in the same city.

    I find it strange the differences.
    We have a fascination with driving our own asses places. Also, I've met several people from Europe whom are well surprised at how seriously Americans take their traffic laws. We stop for pedestrians and such, and they claim that doesn't happen oft where they're from (though I've known a disproportionately large number of Germans...maybe they're just crazy there). We don't have a lot in the ways of public transport, maybe that should change. But we have cars and roads and people seem to be able to handle it; so let them take care of themselves.
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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We have a fascination with driving our own asses places. Also, I've met several people from Europe whom are well surprised at how seriously Americans take their traffic laws. We stop for pedestrians and such, and they claim that doesn't happen oft where they're from (though I've known a disproportionately large number of Germans...maybe they're just crazy there).
    Meh, I guess it depends on the city. I found motorists in Berlin and Munich to be very courteous...which is more than I can say for New York and Chicago.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari
    We don't have a lot in the ways of public transport, maybe that should change. But we have cars and roads and people seem to be able to handle it; so let them take care of themselves.
    I think the main problem is just that American cities are so much more spread out than European cities...both internally and between one another. For example, let's look at comparably sized American/European cities: Houston/Paris, Dallas/Munich, Phoenix/Vienna...in nearly all cases, the US city occupies much more area than its European counterpart.

    Also, the distances BETWEEN big cities are much greater in most parts of the United States. In Europe, there are very few big cities that are more than a couple hours from another big city, whereas in the United States that's the norm. The Northeast Corridor and California are the only exceptions to that.

    I agree though, we are long overdo for some major investment in public transit. It will never be as economical for us as it is for the Europeans, but that's no excuse not to do it. We don't need a state-of-the-art train system criss-crossing every small town in America like the Europeans do, but we do at least need a modern high-speed train system that connects every large and medium-sized city in the country, and a decent bus or metro system in every large city.
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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I agree though, we are long overdo for some major investment in public transit. It will never be as economical for us as it is for the Europeans, but that's no excuse not to do it. We don't need a state-of-the-art train system criss-crossing every small town in America like the Europeans do, but we do at least need a modern high-speed train system that connects every large and medium-sized city in the country, and a decent bus or metro system in every large city.
    Not only do we not need them, we can't aford them.

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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Not only do we not need them, we can't aford them.
    Yet we can afford to continue spending enormous sums of money to fill the coffers of Venezuela, Russia, Iran, and Saudi Arabia?
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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Obama is proposing massive infrastructure 'investment' while we're in a depression, so the money to pay for these programs, despite the fact that they will fail, has to come from somewhere.

    No one who voted for Obama has the moral authority to bitch about this. This is what you supported when you supported Obama.

    Punishing private transportation will encourage the use of the proposed public transportation. The plan will fail in the long run because the government can't make a return on an investment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Exactly right.

    The mileage is noted on the bill of sale, so all you need to do is bring the vehicle with you, or the gov could set up a way for a technician to certify the mileage and produce a certificate you could bring in when you do your taxes.

    No GPS required.

    And I like how the Gov used private industry, like OnStar, to develop the technology before they tried to introduce this intention.
    Are you saying Obama is a time traveler? He isn't (As Far As I Know) President yet so he can't have been involved in the decision to develop the technology unless he traveled back through time and started the process so he could then singlehandedly decide this GPS system would be used.

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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We have a fascination with driving our own asses places. Also, I've met several people from Europe whom are well surprised at how seriously Americans take their traffic laws. We stop for pedestrians and such, and they claim that doesn't happen oft where they're from (though I've known a disproportionately large number of Germans...maybe they're just crazy there). We don't have a lot in the ways of public transport, maybe that should change. But we have cars and roads and people seem to be able to handle it; so let them take care of themselves.
    That on the other hand is a SERIOUS problem in Europe, the drivers and their "ethics".. Its worst in Belgium for sure, but French drivers arent exactly polite, and generally I believe European drivers are worse than US drivers..

    In Belgium for example I watched a lady with a child trolly trying to cross the pedestrian lines on a road.. She had to wait for 4 speeding cars that just passed her, even way above speed limit. Shameful. Cars dont care about pedestrians and bikes and such in many European cities, its completely shameful to watch those selfish bastards in their cars.
    Personally I prefer to walk and run, but when I can do that I prefer public transport, and when I cant do that I just have to choose a car, because I do not yet have a helicopter license.
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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Not only do we not need them, we can't aford them.
    Yes you do.. Flying is a hazzle. Taking a train is just wonderful in comparison. IN France for example the longest route take 5 hours by train, from one side to another of the country. In comparison if you take a place, you have to check in beforehand, go through security, wait and all these things before you actually get in the air.. Total saving of time is perhaps 1 hour of those 5 hours to travel the same distance. And the hazzle and comfort factors are also important.

    The US is larger yes, but it makes sense to link the cities with trains going 350 km/h or more like they have in France.
    Meglev however is the future, they can speed up to 600 km/h as of today and the future potential of those railways with different trains are 1500 km/h.

    Flying is overrated. Even a big country like the US needs alternatives.
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    Re: Should GPS be installed inside vehicles in order to charge mileage taxes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yet we can afford to continue spending enormous sums of money to fill the coffers of Venezuela, Russia, Iran, and Saudi Arabia?
    Nope, can't afford that either.

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