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OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for peace ?

Is Israel still seeking for peace ? Read the post below :

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Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

In your Opinions, Why do you think Hamas is Launching rockets on Israel ?

Of course not for nothing, Or what ?
 
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The reason they are only too happy to do so is plainly stated in their charter -- their chief aim is the destruction of Israel.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Hamas aren't Palestinians, are they?

Unfortunately, Yes .

IDF and Hamas are NOT the same. Hamas hides behind civilians and launches unprovoked attacks and then whines to the international community when they are paid for those attacks on innocent civilians.

Is that the Essential difference you see ?
I see that both of them aims to kill civilians under useless arguments.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

The reason they are only too happy to do so is plainly stated in their charter -- their chief aim is the destruction of Israel.

And why do you think they hate Israel ?
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

And why do you think they hate Israel ?

Gee, I wonder. :roll:
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

And why do you think they hate Israel ?

Because they are a bunch of unruly, subhuman pig men? Just a guess...
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

IDF and Hamas are NOT the same. Hamas hides behind civilians and launches unprovoked attacks and then whines to the international community when they are paid for those attacks on innocent civilians.

It is well known that the IDF uses captured civilians as human shields when raiding a house. They tie them together and push them forward, firing their M-16s over the prisoner's shoulder. Wikipedia has a lengthy article about this, including links to videos of it being done: Human shield - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Does Hamas launch rockets from positions near civilian structures like schools? Maybe. I have no way of knowing. But, I should point out, the Gaza Strip and particularly Gaza City is one of the most densely populated areas on Earth. At Gaza we read, "Covering a land area of 360 sq. km (approximately twice the size of Washington, DC) with a population of nearly 1.4 million, the Gaza Strip is a narrow sliver of land."

Within such tight confines, it is hard not to be near a school or some similar civilian structure.

Because they are a bunch of unruly, subhuman pig men? Just a guess...

It sounds like you should be voting for choice C in my new poll, http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/42160-difference-between-palestinians-situation-apartheid.html

A. Africans are peaceful, non-violent people who would never launch qassam rockets.

B. Africans do not know enough about physics to construct qassam rockets.

C. Africans have rights. Palestinians are sub-humans, like cattle, who have no rights.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Is that the Essential difference you see ?
I see that both of them aims to kill civilians under useless arguments.

I see one as a defender and one as an attacker...
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

It sounds like you should be voting for choice C in my new poll, http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/42160-difference-between-palestinians-situation-apartheid.html

A. Africans are peaceful, non-violent people who would never launch qassam rockets.

B. Africans do not know enough about physics to construct qassam rockets.

C. Africans have rights. Palestinians are sub-humans, like cattle, who have no rights.

And it sounds like you have a penchant for hyperbole that I don't care to indulge.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Because they are a bunch of unruly, subhuman pig men? Just a guess...

That is what they tend to say about Israelis, indeed.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

That is what they tend to say about Israelis, indeed.

I don't think holding Hamas accountable for acting like barbarians is the same as wanting the annihilation of an entire people.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

In your Opinions, Why do you think Hamas is Launching rockets on Israel ?

Of course not for nothing, Or what ?

Hamas relishes killing Jews.

Why did Germany invade Poland and start WWII? Does the reason for the violence, justify the act? Does Israel have to 'understand' the reasons for the rocket attacks?

If the Hamas' battle was based on the 'land dispute-rights' theory forwarded by apologists and the majority of Arabs, why then did Hamas engage in attacks against Israel after Israel had unilaterally disengaged from the Gaza strip?

If Hamas were attacking Israel due to the embargo on Gaza, why didn't Hamas attack directly the IDF forces enforcing the embargo? History has shown us many rebellions were the rebels directly attacked the military force that was restricting their freedom. Yet do we see Hamas fighters directly attacking Israeli forces to end the embargo?

I'll put it this way, I used to believe the rational reasons for Palestinian resistance, but then I compared their tactics to other people that fought for their independence and rights. Unlike the Scots, Yanks, Native Americans, Welsh or Irish of 1916, or even the Vietnamese, Hamas has not engaged the oppressor to try and gain independence. Rather Hamas kills Jewish civilians under the guise of fighting a resistance war. Strategically if you are fighting for your independence or rights; targeting civilians does not work, you must defeat the actual overwhelming military force by defeating them in battle. Unlike the Scottish wars of Independence, The American War of Independence, the Irish rebellion of 1916 or the Vietnamese against the the French or Americans, Hamas does not and is not willing to actually target the source of the 'rational' grievances of Palestinians.....

Hamas engages in violence against Israelis, not out of any rational strategic aim, but rather out of a religious and cultural hatred of Jews. The strategy is not to gain freedom or liberty as suggested by the apologists; Hamas has clearly stated their goals, so much that they have put it on the internet.

Now the beautiful thing about freedom, is that if people truly believe in freedom they will fight for it and they will resist their oppressors. See the Warsaw Jewish uprising of 1943 and the Warsaw General Uprising of 1944.....Gazans talk about wanting freedom and rights, yet they voted in a government that is fascist and theocratic in its tendencies. A government that is the antithesis of human rights, property rights, and natural rights.

I do not cry tears for the people of Gaza, weeks before the bombing I saw all of those wonderful Hamas rallies were the crowds were quite happy to cheer on the Paramilitary and show their willingness to take on the enemy. And yet when their fight comes; their opportunity to kill their hated enemy, they cry out to the international community for help because the can't stand the horror of war. Like a true coward they talk of war and violence and yet when they face the consequences of the very war that they once wanted, they play the victim card.

You see, if these people were willing to fight for their freedom in the rational sense that we associate with the great rebellions and resistance movements of history, Hamas would be conducting their war very differently. But their indiscriminate use of rockets against civilians and the previous use of suicide bombers shows that the real motive is to kill as many Jews as possible, and to continue to do so.

So I ask all of the Hamas apologists to give me an explanation as to why Hamas refuse to mount the majority of their offenses against the IDF. How does this anomaly match up with secular-nationalistic rebellions or resistance movements that have revolved around land rights, political freedoms and freedom from subjugation?

Hamas' code of conduct reflects their stated goals, not the rational excuses offered by the left of Palestinian apologists.
 
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Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

I don't think holding Hamas accountable for acting like barbarians is the same as wanting the annihilation of an entire people.

You misunderstand. I agree with Australianlibertarian.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

So I ask all of the Hamas apologists to give me an explanation as to why Hamas refuse to mount the majority of their offenses against the IDF.

Actually, they shell the border crossings whenever they can.

But because of the IDF's use of human shields, it is very difficult for Hamas to fire on IDF ground troops without killing Palestinians. See my previous post:

It is well known that the IDF uses captured civilians as human shields when raiding a house. They tie them together and push them forward, firing their M-16s over the prisoner's shoulder. Wikipedia has a lengthy article about this, including links to videos of it being done: Human shield - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is impossible to directly oppose the IDF's primary weapon, Predator drones, because they fly too high and silent and are controlled from afar. Even piloted bombers are out of reach of Hamas. In 2002, the IDF dropped a GBU-24 on an apartment building in the middle of the night, which killed eight children and seven adults, and injured over 150 other people. See the description of this attack at Matar et al v. Dichter. (Note: In the court case it is described as a one-ton bomb, though the GBU-24 is actually a two-ton bomb. See Guided Bomb Unit-24.)

So, to answer your question, IDF troops are just too darned hard to kill. What would you do? Aim your AK up at the sky in the expectation of hitting the bomber pilot who just took out an entire apartment building to kill one man?

Using qassam rockets, which are Hamas' only weapon, against an enemy armed with Predator drones and laser-guided bombs is like taking on an Abrams tank with a .22 rifle. Realistically, bouncing a .22 bullet off the side of that tank is a pointless gesture that will just get you killed. Your only viable tactic is to try to pick off one of the stragglers who follow along behind the tank. And, for Hamas, that means aiming qassam rockets at Israeli cities.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Are you sure that No One hates peace?

I thought that Bush, Cheney, corporate CEOs, and the right wingers all hated peace, if hating peace means profits and gold in their pockets.

Look at Iraq..

What the sam hell do your lovers have to do with this topic?
 
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In 2002, the IDF dropped a GBU-24 on an apartment building in the middle of the night, which killed eight children and seven adults, and injured over 150 other people. See the description of this attack at Matar et al v. Dichter. (Note: In the court case it is described as a one-ton bomb, though the GBU-24 is actually a two-ton bomb. See Guided Bomb Unit-24.)

Correction: The GBU-24 is a one-ton bomb. I'm dyslexic: I read "two thousand pound" and wrote "two tons."

Either way, that is a lot of ordinance to drop on an apartment building in the middle of the night when all the families are home sleeping.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Actually 1200 Muslims died in 9/11 too .

You cant be this stupid can you?

Oh , how SMART you are, do you see me crying or begging or sth ?
what "victim hood" rant you are talking about, or you are talking to another member ?
silly categorization .
and yeah, am showing photos in MY post, Is there any objection.

I'm talking about how morons like you love to shoot your selves in the foot and cry how its Israel faults. You people have a "whine" gene or something.

How smart am I?
Hmm I don't believe in a wombat named Allah or Mohamad nor did I post claiming 1200 muslims died on 9/11. How about you?
 
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Correction: The GBU-24 is a one-ton bomb. I'm dyslexic: I read "two thousand pound" and wrote "two tons."

Either way, that is a lot of ordinance to drop on an apartment building in the middle of the night when all the families are home sleeping.

War sucks thats why its best to avoid it when you can.
But don't expect much from people (hamas) so willing to place civilians in harms way for a higher body count.
 
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War sucks thats why its best to avoid it when you can.
But don't expect much from people (hamas) so willing to place civilians in harms way for a higher body count.

Actually, the man they were after lived in that apartment. They all live in large multi-story apartment buildings, you know. There are no single-family homes in Gaza. It is too crowded.

It is well known that the IDF uses captured civilians as human shields when raiding a house. They tie them together and push them forward, firing their M-16s over the prisoner's shoulder. Wikipedia has a lengthy article about this, including links to videos of it being done: Human shield - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Does Hamas launch rockets from positions near civilian structures like schools? Maybe. I have no way of knowing. But, I should point out, the Gaza Strip and particularly Gaza City is one of the most densely populated areas on Earth. At Gaza we read, "Covering a land area of 360 sq. km (approximately twice the size of Washington, DC) with a population of nearly 1.4 million, the Gaza Strip is a narrow sliver of land."

Within such tight confines, it is hard not to be near a school or some similar civilian structure.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Actually, they shell the border crossings whenever they can.

But because of the IDF's use of human shields, it is very difficult for Hamas to fire on IDF ground troops without killing Palestinians. See my previous post:



It is impossible to directly oppose the IDF's primary weapon, Predator drones, because they fly too high and silent and are controlled from afar. Even piloted bombers are out of reach of Hamas. In 2002, the IDF dropped a GBU-24 on an apartment building in the middle of the night, which killed eight children and seven adults, and injured over 150 other people. See the description of this attack at Matar et al v. Dichter. (Note: In the court case it is described as a one-ton bomb, though the GBU-24 is actually a two-ton bomb. See Guided Bomb Unit-24.)

So, to answer your question, IDF troops are just too darned hard to kill. What would you do? Aim your AK up at the sky in the expectation of hitting the bomber pilot who just took out an entire apartment building to kill one man?

Using qassam rockets, which are Hamas' only weapon, against an enemy armed with Predator drones and laser-guided bombs is like taking on an Abrams tank with a .22 rifle. Realistically, bouncing a .22 bullet off the side of that tank is a pointless gesture that will just get you killed. Your only viable tactic is to try to pick off one of the stragglers who follow along behind the tank. And, for Hamas, that means aiming qassam rockets at Israeli cities.



I find your anti-Israel stance to be most distasteful.

Israel does not use human shields ... that is a Hamas terrorist tactic.

There will be peace when Hamas relinquishes control of Gaza and disarms.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

In your Opinions, Why do you think Hamas is Launching rockets on Israel ?

Of course not for nothing, Or what ?

Because Hamas wants the destruction of Israel and will do anything and everything they can to harm/hurt anyone and anything having to do with Israel.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Unfortunately, Yes .



Is that the Essential difference you see ?
I see that both of them aims to kill civilians under useless arguments.

The IDF does not AIM to kill civilians. They aim to kill terrorists. It is the terrorists who hide behind civilians.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

It is well known that the IDF uses captured civilians as human shields when raiding a house. They tie them together and push them forward, firing their M-16s over the prisoner's shoulder. Wikipedia has a lengthy article about this, including links to videos of it being done: Human shield - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Oh wow, a Wikipedia article written more like propoganda than like fact. Wonder why most teachers do not accept citations from Wikipedia.

Does Hamas launch rockets from positions near civilian structures like schools? Maybe. I have no way of knowing. But, I should point out, the Gaza Strip and particularly Gaza City is one of the most densely populated areas on Earth. At Gaza we read, "Covering a land area of 360 sq. km (approximately twice the size of Washington, DC) with a population of nearly 1.4 million, the Gaza Strip is a narrow sliver of land."

I live in a place larger than Gaza and every bit as crowded (or very nearly so). There are plenty of places here with relatively few people. Our military bases are typically AWAY from crowded civilian areas. Hamas purposesly puts themselves in the thick of crowded civilian areas.

Within such tight confines, it is hard not to be near a school or some similar civilian structure.

I could do it easily here and I live in a place nearly as crowded as Gaza. THey position themselves in these locations ON PURPOSE.


It sounds like you should be voting for choice C in my new poll, http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/42160-difference-between-palestinians-situation-apartheid.html

A. Africans are peaceful, non-violent people who would never launch qassam rockets.

B. Africans do not know enough about physics to construct qassam rockets.

C. Africans have rights. Palestinians are sub-humans, like cattle, who have no rights.

I did not vote in the poll because it was a stupid poll.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

This whole situation is pathetic. Hamas launches rockets repeatedly while the UN whispers its condemnations. Israel finally blasts back and the UN screams protests and demands "restraint" as if the UN's solution to stop Hamas' rockets was right around the corner. As Hamas gets its butt kicked, proving that they have existed on Israel's good graces and its sentiments of a possible peace with it, Muslims and others in the region seek to punish people who have nothing to do with it.....

* Sudan...Muslims have been called to attack Americans.

* Iraq....Sadr has called for Muslims to attack Americans.

* Europe....Muslims (and lets not pretend that only Muslims are among them) have targetted Jews.

* "Palestine".....Religious leaders have argued that by arming the Jews they can't fight.



Now, the underlying ugly truth, which is becoming almost impossible to deny anymore even by the politically correct stooges, is that this is a Jew/Muslim issue. Not an Israeli issue as Muslims and Westerners pretend, but a Jew/Muslim fight. Why else would "Jews" be targetted in Europe? Why else would Palesitnian leaders address them as "Jews" and not Israelis?

The truth is that Muslims are absolutely tolerant of Jews as long as they live under Muslims roofs. Jews in Iran are treated as well as other ethnic groups. Jews in Iraq are left alone. But Jews in Isreal were labeled the enemy since day one. Some argue that this is because they made Muslims move over. But I say that with Islam's history of controlling and occupying this land, they have never sought a free "Palestine" until Jews were given half.

And somehow, American citizens and troops are dragged into the situation as if they have anything at all to do with anything. It's the same everytime. Islamic fanatics hate Saudi Arabia so they target American citizens. Islamic fanatics hate Israel so they target American citizens. European fanatics hate Israel so they target Jews, some of which protest Israel's behaviors at times as well. Don't they have enough intelligence to recognize that their fight is better fought against an enemy they have a chance with? That the local irritant or "enemy" should be their target and not the "evil devil" across the ocean? But who cares about this? Who cares about actually taking on a task they can win or at least gain something from?

This is a Jew/Muslim thing. Not an Israel/Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, Syria thing. It's the modern day crusade that began one day after Israel's creation by the UN and sustained by the UN's ridiculous actions to keep Palestinians in a refugee status far longer than any other group on earth.

What I find pathetic is how Muslims in this region can't even decide who the enemy is. Is it Israel or is it Jews? Is it Saudi Arabia or is it America? The argument offerred by the region's failures and our ignorant Western critics is that without America, Israel and Saudi Arabia would have been toppled by the faithful good intentioned Muslims long ago. Of course, with a long line of Arab Muslim leaders who have sought to oppress or slaughter their fellow Muslim according to tribe, they don't have much evidence that Muslim "salivation" will be found in any Arab Muslim's hands. Well, how about this? Since no one gets to take responsibility for what they do because a higher power across the sea is the ultimate enemy of Islam.....can't we just start arguing that since the Muslim world is such a wreck of misery and failure that God isn't on their side in the first place? Since God's ultimate gift (and curse) upon man was free will and the West practices democracy and religious freedom, aren't we seeking God's path and thereby possibly being rewarded with success against those who choose to strip free will from their own?

I grow tired of the Palestinian/Israeli thing because everyone (especially Palestinians and Western critics) pretends that it is as simple as making Israel behave. That all will be well if only Israel surrenders land and sits on their hands. That the UN has the answers to what it created. That Muslims (as they target Americans in Sudan and Iraq and target Jews in Europe over what is supposed to be seperate from "Jews") have a beef with only Israelis and "Jews" have nothing to do with it.

The only thing keeping Palesintians down is Palesitnians and their fellow Muslims elsewhere who need the crusade to endure. Were it not for the Hamas rockets, an Israeli assault would have never took place. But the critics merely state that, "had Isreal not occupied Gaza that all wouuld have been well." But how did Israel come to capture Gaza? Suez Canal War, where Muslim insitagtion and aggression forced the Israeli hand? And even with occupation in Gaza, violence is the justified behavior? This calls for constat rocket launches into Israel? Funny how the same critics who blame Israel for these rockets also argue for the sovereignty of Saddam Hussein. Israel gets none of that I guess even while Hussein funded terrorist bombers into Israel.

It would be amazing to see how many of the globes citizens demand their government take action if they were being shelled and constantly the target of terrorist action. Somehow, I'm sure they would seperate their ordeal with that of Isreal's just to keep pretending to be on that higher non-hypocritical plain.
 
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