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OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for peace ?

Is Israel still seeking for peace ? Read the post below :

  • No

    Votes: 26 37.7%
  • Yes

    Votes: 43 62.3%

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Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

I think the UN was the cause of the problem, We need solutions now ...
Us Brits must accept a lot of the guilt with the Balfour declaration and the allowance of so much land to be taken by the Jews. But that is done and cannot be undone.

In practical terms the Palestinians need to work with Israel for peace and a two state solution, that is the only solution left to them.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Now, let's get back to the thread topic.

Actually, he decides wether to get in the main topic or not, , I think he'd got all rights to speak in it .

Freedom of Speech
 
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Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

I was about to ask the same thing. Vader, Hamas qualifies with your descriptor. The civilians do not. They need to do something, but I don't buy that all, or even most are "zealots".


I was referring to Hamas and those who support them.

:mrgreen:
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

This has little to do with religion, it is about something much more important in international relations...land. Palestinians owned the land of what is now Israel or most of it until between 1918-48 when they lost most of it and they have been very pissed off ever since, not without bloody good reason.

The problem is they have no recourse, they can't militarily take on Israel to get the land back but don't seem to move on and instead some seem intent on ignoring the realities of their situtation and not moving on to make some practical improvements. Hamas and the Palestinians need to move on for practical reasons even if they do have a right to be pissed off.

Of course the OP shouldn't have been posted on this board, you can't have a decent conservasation with Americans about Israel, even the liberals have their mouths so far up its butt that it can basically do no wrong in their eyes. It is a very strange phenomenon that you just don't see here, even among the real rightwing, few high Tories are such groupies for Israel, in fact quite the opposite often, perhaps it has something do with their attachment to ancient landed wealth.

That land was once called "Judea" ... the Palestine of which you speak was created by a jew-hating Roman general.

While I state this ... I will admit that both the modern Jews and Palestinians are decendants of the Cannanites. Therefore, Israel has a right to exist and the Hamas swine need to accept this fact.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Actually, he decides wether to get in the main topic or not, , I think he'd got all rights to speak in it .

Freedom of Speech

Actually, that is not correct. Forum rules and all.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

I was referring to Hamas and those who support them.

:mrgreen:

Thank you for the clarification.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

That land was once called "Judea" ... the Palestine of which you speak was created by a jew-hating Roman general.

While I state this ... I will admit that both the modern Jews and Palestinians are decendants of the Cannanites. Therefore, Israel has a right to exist and the Hamas swine need to accept this fact.

Firstly as you seem to admit the Palestinians have generally been there as long the Jews. Secondly we are not talking ancient history but sixty years ago, within living memory. It is a different situation.

Israel did not have a right to exist in 1918 when about 8% of those who live on what is Israel today were Jewish. Today it does have a right to exist, but I'm not an American and won't sweep what happened completely under the rug.
 
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I heard from talk radio that Hamas rockets Israel because
Israel blocks free trade with Gaza. But Israel knows that
free trade with Gaza will bring in more rockets.

To quote Jim Morrison: "The only solution, isn't it amazing?"
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Actually, Hamas was the Best of the Worse that time, civilians got no choise .

I have to disagree with that. There WAS a better choice. The Gazans simply didn't go along with it - and now they are paying for their choice. Which is better off right now? The West Bank or Gaza. It should be recognized at the present point in time that the two really operate as two separate states. Is that the future of the region? One Israel and TWO Palestinian states?
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Actually, Hamas was the Best of the Worse that time, civilians got no choise .

Civilians were given a choice by Israel, whose motives remain suspect due to the machiavellian principle of profit from chaos. While the people are looking at the sexual scandal involving the Prince’s wife, he is robbing the treasury. The Israeli prince allows the marriage bed (Palestine) to be soiled, by letting Hamas fornicate with his wife, while the people are distracted the prince robs the treasury of land deeds.

I would like to point out that the marriage of Hamas and Palestine was approved by Israel when the Republicans lost the War on Terror:

“JERUSALEM — Israel has dropped its campaign to ban the violent Islamic Hamas from Palestinian parliamentary elections, a senior official said Sunday, acknowledging defeat after President Bush pointedly skipped repeating the demand in a public appearance with the Palestinian leader last week. “ (posted 10-24-05, 09:43 AM)
http://www.debatepolitics.com/archives/4916-republicans-have-lost-war-terror.html#post123090

It is enough to make a hawk vomit. It does not mean the Palestinians are innocent, but all this comedy of war means that every time Israel kills, if they do not finish it, they dig a hole straight to hell.

“Many ‘Holy wars‘ have been called,
And liberal arts of war stalled.” (Sunday, September 23, 2001, 8:46:10 PM)

Cold or Hot but never the lukewarm “liberal” arts of war.
 
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That land was once called "Judea" ... the Palestine of which you speak was created by a jew-hating Roman general.

While I state this ... I will admit that both the modern Jews and Palestinians are decendants of the Cannanites. Therefore, Israel has a right to exist and the Hamas swine need to accept this fact.

And when was that ?
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

I have to disagree with that. There WAS a better choice. The Gazans simply didn't go along with it - and now they are paying for their choice. Which is better off right now? The West Bank or Gaza. It should be recognized at the present point in time that the two really operate as two separate states. Is that the future of the region? One Israel and TWO Palestinian states?

You hadn't mentioned the "better solution" .
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Israel must not stop till every last member of Hamas in Gaza is eliminated
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Israel must not stop till every last member of Hamas in Gaza is eliminated

You mean : "When every citizen in Gaza is eliminated" ...
That means that they'll never stop .

and no need to write in a colored bold font, unless if you feel that you is "nobody" wants to get people's attention .
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

To stop the IDF attacks: Stop launching rockets into Israel.

To gain independence from Israel: Promise not to try killing Israelis.


It is reeeeeeeally simple.

The fact that you think this such a simple quandary to overcome shows your naïvete. If you are willing to become a second class citizen, then by all means do so but don't expect others to follow your example.
 
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You mean : "When every citizen in Gaza is eliminated" ...
That means that they'll never stop .

and no need to write in a colored bold font, unless if you feel that you is "nobody" wants to get people's attention .

He said "Hamas Member" you said citizen. He isn't talking about terrorists ... you're assuming he meant civilians.

Why is that?
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

He said "Hamas Member" you said citizen. He isn't talking about terrorists ... you're assuming he meant civilians.

Why is that?

Perhaps he is suggesting the solution is not just the elimination of Hamas. This conflict has deep rooted problems, which if left unresolved, will only push the Palestinians to Hamas or another equally appalling organization.

Let me break it down for you. An unbiased rational observer sees many, many problems to the conflict. You see only one (Hamas). With your intended solution (elimination of Hamas) you will essentially be calling for the extermination of all Gaza's citizens.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

You mean : "When every citizen in Gaza is eliminated" ...
That means that they'll never stop .

and no need to write in a colored bold font, unless if you feel that you is "nobody" wants to get people's attention .

Are you saying that every citizen in Gaza is Hamas? A wise man named Walid Shoebat a former PLO terrorist once said.

Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian? ~ Walid Shobat

The answer is because there is no such thing as a Palestinian. There has never been a nation of Palestine. The Arab refugees (so called Palestinians)are being used as pawns to create a terror breeding ground, as a form of aggression against Israel and nothing more.The Israeli Arab Conflict is not about geography but about Jew hatred.
 
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Perhaps he is suggesting the solution is not just the elimination of Hamas. This conflict has deep rooted problems, which if left unresolved, will only push the Palestinians to Hamas or another equally appalling organization.

Let me break it down for you. An unbiased rational observer sees many, many problems to the conflict. You see only one (Hamas). With your intended solution (elimination of Hamas) you will essentially be calling for the extermination of all Gaza's citizens.


If the Palestinian people agree with the Hamas goal of the destruction of Israel and its people than so be it. Israli would be stupid to stop these attacks until the last Hamas member in Gaza stops breathing. Even if that means killing all who support Hamas. Finish this once and for all. Let the people of Israel live in peace.
 
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I found this to be interesting:

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Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

I found this to be interesting:

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Very distasteful. Suicide attacks that target civilians are far different than Israeli military strikes that result in collateral civilian casualties.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Very distasteful. Suicide attacks that target civilians are far different than Israeli military strikes that result in collateral civilian casualties.

Like the Israeli military strikes that used illegal chemical weaponry that "accidentally" hit civilians?
 
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Like the Israeli military strikes that used illegal chemical weaponry that "accidentally" hit civilians?

Never heard of that, got a source?
 
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