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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Nope. The UN decides the legal aspect of these situations. Morality in this case, as in many, is subjective. Until you can prove the objectivity of morality, here, your position is negated.
    No it isn't, you have admitted my position ie that the UN doesn't decide morality but just what is law. The rest of my argument is just about the right to private property.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    No the law did no such thing, it just defined what was to recognised as the borders not who aggressed nor what is morally correct. You are making that leap and it is unjustified.
    If the law identified the borders and who could live there, than those that abided by that were not the aggressors. No leap. Simple logic.


    Sure it does because it is obvious to most people what aggression was in the situation. If I stole your house would that not be aggressing against you? If the state then recognised it would that then make it not aggression and morally right?
    If I was told that my house was repartitioned, and I could no longer live there, I would be angry at those that repartitioned. It has nothing to do with who was going to live there, since it was not they that stole my house. No theft occurred, Repartitioning did.

    And no, it would make it neither aggressive nor morally anything. Morals are subjective.

    You are conflating morality and aggression with law, you position is extremely weak.
    You are trying to make morality objective. Your position is weak and untenable.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    No it isn't, you have admitted my position ie that the UN doesn't decide morality but just what is law. The rest of my argument is just about the right to private property.
    And since the UN decided, based on law, who could live there. private property was secondary to that law.

    And I think you just threw your entire morality argument/position out the window, too.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    If the law identified the borders and who could live there, than those that abided by that were not the aggressors. No leap. Simple logic.
    Nope because the laws says nothing about the events, it just says what will happen in the future. It doesn't say that what happens was right.



    If I was told that my house was repartitioned, and I could no longer live there, I would be angry at those that repartitioned. It has nothing to do with who was going to live there, since it was not they that stole my house. No theft occurred, Repartitioning did.

    And no, it would make it neither aggressive nor morally anything. Morals are subjective.
    Aren't you Jewish?

    Repartitioning is just legal recognition of the theft.
    You are trying to make morality objective. Your position is weak an untenable.
    Only if you don't agree with private property or you're a hypocrite. Most people would consider it aggression if someone stole their house and so my position triumphs but anyway yours has already fallen because you have admitted that morality does not enter into it and therefore neither does aggression.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And since the UN decided, based on law, who could live there. private property was secondary to that law.

    And I think you just threw your entire morality argument/position out the window, too.
    Nope, I always knew it wouldn't hold for socialists who don't care about private property but they are what I'm worried about. I think I have just about effectively got all I could have wanted from you.

    Btw if there is no aggression if it is covered by the power of the state then the arabs can't have aggressed either. After all who are you to say they are in the wrong?
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    If they want peace, then explain why they would throw rockets at Israel over the past several weeks when there was no initial retaliation, when Israel and many others asked them to stop, and when Israel told them that if they did not there would be a reaction. When you can show how this makes sense, get back to us.
    Wait, wait... 36(ish) years of Occupation and genocide aren't cause (I'm guessing that's what you mean by initial retaliation...) enough to retaliate? Before you make these kinds of statements, it might do you well to actually know about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Torin View Post
    Wait, wait... 36(ish) years of Occupation and genocide aren't cause (I'm guessing that's what you mean by initial retaliation...) enough to retaliate? Before you make these kinds of statements, it might do you well to actually know about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
    Firstly, genocide doesn't exist. If you are claiming this, you, obviously, do not understand the term. And the occupation is a response to Palestinians aggression. It might be good for you to understand the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and to understand terminology before you make such erroneous statements.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Firstly, genocide doesn't exist. If you are claiming this, you, obviously, do not understand the term. And the occupation is a response to Palestinians aggression. It might be good for you to understand the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and to understand terminology before you make such erroneous statements.
    Let me define my terms, then -- I call the systematic destruction of a peoples and their way of life genocide. And since when does, "Israeli feelings of religious entitlement in regards to a patch of land," translate to Palestinian aggression? It really sounds to me like you don't have the foggiest as to why this conflict exists in the first place. Or can you enlighten me?

    Also, just as an aside... If genocide doesn't exist, what do you call the Holocaust? A different word with the exact same connotations? Or maybe you're saying that mass killings don't occur, in which case I simply don't wish to converse with you, and anyone else of your ilk around here.

    A final point... Even if the Palestinians were the initial antagonists (which they weren't), you have to consider that for the most part, they throw rocks and sticks. The Israelis have the best pilots in the world and, outside of America, the best air-fleet. They. Are. Well. Armed. Period. And they're not attacking the Palestinians with rubber bullets and tear-gas: they're using lead.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Torin View Post
    Let me define my terms, then -- I call the systematic destruction of a peoples and their way of life genocide.
    Okay, so we're on the same page as to the definition of genocide. There is no genocide happening to the Palestinians.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Okay, so we're on the same page as to the definition of genocide. There is no genocide happening to the Palestinians.
    By my definition of the word, Wikipedia's, and Dictionary.com's, there IS a genocide. By hey, we're obviously unreliable sources, right?

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