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Thread: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for peace ?

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Completely non-comparable.



    What are you talking about? This area was a part of the Ottomon Empire up until WWI. Following WWI, the LEague of Nations assigned the area as a Mandatory territory to the British. It remained that way until the UN partitioned the area into two countries. There is no theft.



    And never had a state of their own there.



    What Jewish army infringed on the sovereignty of a foreign power?
    I think that post was addressed to CC, I don't feel like replying to two people with much the same thing.

    EDIT: I replied below, CC can refer to that.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Occupation of territory held since Israel was invaded is NOT aggression. Israel has the RIGHT to hold the territory in belligerant occupatio pending a treaty determining the final status of the territory.
    Sure it is aggression. The occupation and settlement of another people's territory is certainly aggression as the British aggressed against Ireland. The Palestinians are then defending themselves by trying to remove this. What is wrong is the despicable tactics of groups like Hamas.

    Israel should NOT give all territory back until there is a peace deal IN PLACE that protects Israel's sovrereignty.
    Israel should stop aggressing.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I am not a socialist. However, at the same time, rules change. YOu have to accept them. We are not talking about a Catholic part of the world so Catholic rules to NOT apply.
    You are supposed to be a Catholic, they are supposed to apply to you.

    We are not talking about rules changing but ancient, traditional rights being swept away. Your position is pure Bolshevism.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Israel would LIKE to exist peacefully, but its neighbors keep attacking it.
    you got to be kidding ! Had Israel asked to exist peacefully before ?

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    All answer it anyway but only briefly. CC can look at these answers

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Completely non-comparable.
    Sure it is. If you defend the notion that the UN decides what is right and wrong by accepting the fait accompli in Israel, then you have to think these were right as well.



    What are you talking about? This area was a part of the Ottomon Empire up until WWI. Following WWI, the LEague of Nations assigned the area as a Mandatory territory to the British. It remained that way until the UN partitioned the area into two countries. There is no theft.
    Firstly please stop with the, I think deliberate, tactic of conflating the state with individual property and with the rights of those in an area. They are not the same and they aren't all reliant on the state if you aren't a commie.

    You claimed the UN decides right and wrong or CC did but the international law which forms part of the basis of the UN states that the seizing of refugee property is a warcrime. That was done in 48 on a big scale and the absense of a Palestinians state has nothing to do with that, unless you are suggesting that international law and the UN only applies to those with states. Therefore the UN is contradicting itself and the claim that Israel's theft of the land before 48 is fine because the UN recognised it doesn't wash.



    And never had a state of their own there.
    Irrelevant.

    What Jewish army infringed on the sovereignty of a foreign power?
    The lack of a sovereign state does not remove the rights of those in an area, that is socialist talk.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Sure it is aggression. The occupation and settlement of another people's territory is certainly aggression as the British aggressed against Ireland. The Palestinians are then defending themselves by trying to remove this. What is wrong is the despicable tactics of groups like Hamas.

    Israel should stop aggressing.
    Israel came into occupation of those lands through a war started by the Arabs. Israel has the legal right to remain in belligerant occupation of those lands until a treaty of peace formally disposes of those lands. The aggression was the Arabs, NOT Israel.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Israel came into occupation of those lands through a war started by the Arabs.
    Sorry ?
    You mean that the war happened before Israel exist ?

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    You are supposed to be a Catholic, they are supposed to apply to you.
    But I am not about imposing my personal beliefs on situations where they clearly are not relevant.

    We are not talking about rules changing but ancient, traditional rights being swept away. Your position is pure Bolshevism.
    Of course, everyone gets those rights except the Jews.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    you got to be kidding ! Had Israel asked to exist peacefully before ?
    Sure they have. They are the ones who are pressing for peace. Right now, Hamas is still attacking Israeli forces and launching rockets.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    All answer it anyway but only briefly. CC can look at these answers

    Sure it is. If you defend the notion that the UN decides what is right and wrong by accepting the fait accompli in Israel, then you have to think these were right as well.
    The UN has the right to decide by being virtue of the successor of the League of Nations. Remember, the British Mandate was assigned by the League of Nations. Thus, the UN does have a right to have a saw in this matter as it did with territories covered by its own Trusteeship System.

    Firstly please stop with the, I think deliberate, tactic of conflating the state with individual property and with the rights of those in an area. They are not the same and they aren't all reliant on the state if you aren't a commie.
    However, the issue here is STATE sovereignty, NOT individual property rights -regardless of how much you are trying to make this the issue.

    You claimed the UN decides right and wrong or CC did but the international law which forms part of the basis of the UN states that the seizing of refugee property is a warcrime.
    I did NOT say the UN decides right and wrong, but the UN had jurisdiction here as this was part of the League of Nations Mandatory System that the UN, as the successor organization to the League, took responsibility for.

    That was done in 48 on a big scale and the absense of a Palestinians state has nothing to do with that, unless you are suggesting that international law and the UN only applies to those with states. Therefore the UN is contradicting itself and the claim that Israel's theft of the land before 48 is fine because the UN recognised it doesn't wash.
    You have some citations to do here.


    Irrelevant.


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