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Thread: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for peace ?

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    actually didnt we just kill them all and take their land?????
    Actually, the US got all of the land in the continental US from treaties signed with EUropean or Latin American powers that had previously acquired sovereignty over the land (England, France, Spain, MExico, and Russia) with the exception of Texas which petitioned for annexation three times before it was annexed.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Actually, the US got all of the land in the continental US from treaties signed with EUropean or Latin American powers that had previously acquired sovereignty over the land (England, France, Spain, MExico, and Russia) with the exception of Texas which petitioned for annexation three times before it was annexed.
    By golly, you're right.

    A lot of Mexicans are claiming the southwestern part of the USA today.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    That's your perception, one that is not accurate. Israel was founded on an international decision.
    That doesn't make it right, it was fait accompli. Is it right that Tibet is part of China or the baltic nations were part of the USSR?

    How about that according to international law and the UN that the taking of refugee land is a war crime, once punishable by death. So the UN contrdicts itself and certainly can't be used to divine right and wrong in this case.

    Land-theft is land-theft.

    And if you really want to go back, the Romans stole Israel from the Jews.
    The Palestinians are descended from those who have been there since the first millenia BC in general.

    This is why the historical argument is stupid. The Partition happened. Israel exists. Israel will continue to exist. Get over it. Deal with it. Complaining about the Partition accomplishes nothing and gears one towards no solutions. Never has, never will.
    I accept this, I was just saying if you want to talk about the so called aggression of the Arabs in 67 and 48 then you have to talk about the aggression of the Jews that predates it.


    The UN does decide right and wrong. Like or not that is their role. Not my problem if you do not agree with their decision.


    That is an extremely dubious argument. What ever the UN recognises or ignores then must be okay? So Soviet control of Eastern Europe was dandy?

    See above.
    And, if you want to keep going back, the setting up of Israel was righting a wrong the occurred and restoring the area to the people who originally were there.
    Except that firstly decades ago is not millenia and that the Palestinians have always been there as long as the Jews.
    Pointless debate. One you cannot win, and one that offers no solutions. Only the typical "let's blame Israel".


    In my experience they are. You have your experiences. They are not mine. You see Americans in certain way. I do not. I see Europeans and Britons in a certain way. You do not.
    I have seen few non-American Westerners on here to back up your claims but many Americans back up mine.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Give me a break.

    I suppose you believe that if Israel leaves the Westbank that all will be well. And why does Israel occupy the Westbank? Aggression has clearly been on the Palestinian side and pretending that "both" need to seek a peaceful solution only allows you to pretend that Palestinians are victims.

    Palestinians have proven over and over that Israel cannot afford to have faith in them. The last time Israel gave back land, Hamas launched rockets from those positions. How's that for "both" sides need to seek a peaceful solution?
    I think that further occupation and settlement provokes terrorism. Israel has never given the whole occupied territories back, until it does that and removes the settlements it is aggressing. This does not excuse the terrorism of course but it means that Israel is in the wrong as well.

    See CC another American who seems to think that Israel can do no wrong and that the Palestinians have no rights and are evil, random aggressors.

    I'm being balanced, I know that both are wrong. I can't say the same for most Americans I meet.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Then they are not really "Arabs", are they?

    Again, Catholic teachings have nothing to do with this.

    When territory changes sovereignty, the rules change. Accept that. The Ottomons lost, the British came in.
    Your a socialist who believes that property depends on the state. Accept that.

    The fact that the rulers change should not completely eradicate ancient, customary claims to property. That is certainly against Catholic teaching, it is basically Bolshevism.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    That is not true. Arabs were living on it but the British controlled it. That's like saying the United States stole America from the Indians.
    Oh so individual, ancient rights to property depend on the grace of the state?

    Man we're surrounded by socialists.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Oh so individual, ancient rights to property depend on the grace of the state?

    Man we're surrounded by socialists.
    "Ancient rights" is a nice slogan but it means nothing. Land is controlled by whoever can defend it. Arabs may contend it is their land, but it is not their land simply because they lived on it. The land belongs to whoever can defend it and control it.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    "Ancient rights" is a nice slogan but it means nothing.
    That says it all doesn't it..

    Land is controlled by whoever can defend it. Arabs may contend it is their land, but it is not their land simply because they lived on it. The land belongs to whoever can defend it and control it.
    Pure Bolshevism.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    That says it all doesn't it..

    Pure Bolshevism.
    It does say it all. Ancient rights means nothing. If ancient rights meant anything then an American Indian could walk right up to me and demand I leave my home because his ancestors lived on my property. That isn't going to happen and it's not going to happen in Israel.

    No, not Bolshevism. National sovereignty and legal property rights.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    It does say it all. Ancient rights means nothing. If ancient rights meant anything then an American Indian could walk right up to me and demand I leave my home because his ancestors lived on my property. That isn't going to happen and it's not going to happen in Israel.

    No, not Bolshevism. National sovereignty and legal property rights.
    I have not suggested Israel return the land stolen between 1918-48, I have simply said it was wrong. You have shown contempt for all established property rights, nay all such rights, that do not come directly from the state. That is pure Bolshevism and you can't get around that.
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