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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Please explain now a non-state entity can have national sovereignty.
    That was not relevant to his question. Pay attention. He asked some silly random questions and then started talking about national sovereignty and how the Palestinians should accept the rule of Israel. Whether they have a state, and the definition of that is not set, or not is not particularly relevant to whether they'd be better under off and feel better off by renouncing any claims to self-rule.

    So stop trying to score cheap points because I wiped the floor with you the last time we debated and grow the hell up.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    I wonder how much different the border might look had Israel not been provoked into wars that would see them expand over the last fifty years? Every action has a reaction.

    People ask what other country on earth has borders like Israel. Well what other country on earth is constantly threatened from all sides by sovereign states, terrorist organizations, individual terrorists, and celebrated refugees?

    The situation is unique. And arguing as if Israel is the aggressive problem that won't behave is dishonest. Extreme toleration has always been the course of the day. Not so for the surrounding populations who have instigated wars, orchestrated attacks, and organized terror.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk-Eye View Post
    Could palestinians concede to tribal claims, volitiously relocated/relocating as welcomed immigrants?
    That's just it. They don't have to leave. They never had to. Nobody complains that Jews don't own all of it, yet Palestinians are supposed to own it all? They are a burden to the Lebanese, Egyptians, and Syrians, which is why Palestinians have been the target often enough during their tribal wars. Jordan is a die hard sympathetic supporter only because large amounts of Palestinians settled there over the decades. It was Arabs that forced the issue of all or nothing from the beginning. It was Arabs that provoked the Suez War that would see Isreal push borders.

    For a mass of people that both claim it, "sharing" was the answer. One side refused. That one side continue to pay to this day. Complaining and whining as if they share no responsibility for the decisions their people made will never change what occurred. No amount of long ago historical ownership matters. No amount of exxageration or plain lies (Jenin Hoax) will aid Palestinians move forward.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    That was not relevant to his question. Pay attention. He asked some silly random questions and then started talking about national sovereignty and how the Palestinians should accept the rule of Israel. Whether they have a state, and the definition of that is not set, or not is not particularly relevant to whether they'd be better under off and feel better off by renouncing any claims to self-rule.

    So stop trying to score cheap points because I wiped the floor with you the last time we debated and grow the hell up.
    It most certainly is relevant. Just because you can't accept it does not make it irrelevant. Israel is a sovereign nation. Palestine is not and never has been. It is a region. The other fact is the Pals cannot govern themselves. A nation that promotes suicide and teaches their children that suicide and murder are pleasing to God is a sick people. If parents in any civilized country taught their children what Hamas and the Hezbollah teach their children they would be in jail for child abuse. Nothing can excuse this sick behavior. This is not how you build a nation. It's not anyone's fault the Pals have never had and will not have a nation. It's their fault. They have made wrong choices. That is not Israel's fault. You need to look to Iran, not Israel.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    It most certainly is relevant. Just because you can't accept it does not make it irrelevant. Israel is a sovereign nation. Palestine is not and never has been. It is a region. The other fact is the Pals cannot govern themselves. A nation that promotes suicide and teaches their children that suicide and murder are pleasing to God is a sick people. If parents in any civilized country taught their children what Hamas and the Hezbollah teach their children they would be in jail for child abuse. Nothing can excuse this sick behavior. This is not how you build a nation. It's not anyone's fault the Pals have never had and will not have a nation. It's their fault. They have made wrong choices. That is not Israel's fault. You need to look to Iran, not Israel.
    Little of this has any direct relevance to your original question. That is the point.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    I wonder how much different the border might look had Israel not been provoked into wars that would see them expand over the last fifty years? Every action has a reaction.

    People ask what other country on earth has borders like Israel. Well what other country on earth is constantly threatened from all sides by sovereign states, terrorist organizations, individual terrorists, and celebrated refugees?

    The situation is unique. And arguing as if Israel is the aggressive problem that won't behave is dishonest. Extreme toleration has always been the course of the day. Not so for the surrounding populations who have instigated wars, orchestrated attacks, and organized terror.
    Israel is still occupying and settling the Westbank. If France did that to Dorset I'd consider it an act of war. Both sides are to blame and both need to seek a peaceful solution. The blind apologetics of Americans don't help.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Israel is still occupying and settling the Westbank. If France did that to Dorset I'd consider it an act of war. Both sides are to blame and both need to seek a peaceful solution. The blind apologetics of Americans don't help.
    It would not be an act of war if the occupation was a result of hostilities initiated by the occupied party...which it is in this case. This has occurred many times throughout history.

    And the blind apologetics of the EU don't help. Now that we have dispensed with the idiotic attacks on nationality, how about dropping it and sticking to the topic.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    It would not be an act of war if the occupation was a result of hostilities initiated by the occupied party...which it is in this case. This has occurred many times throughout history.
    Actually it is an act of war to maintain the occupation and settlement. There is continual taking of land by settlers.

    But if you want to go that far back we can then mention the setting up of Israel which was just massive land-theft. let's not forget that each attack by the arabs had the massive wrong of the progressive stealing of the land of the Palestinians as its backdrop. Jews were only 8% of the population in 1918. History does not help the Israelis.

    And the blind apologetics of the EU don't help. Now that we have dispensed with the idiotic attacks on nationality, how about dropping it and sticking to the topic.
    I despise the EU, I consider the very implication I have anything to do with that despotism as a personal insult.

    But seriously the rest of the world tends to be far more balanced than the Americans, it is very strange. I'm currently in Australia so don't have direct access to most British media but in Aussieland they are a lot more balanced than the average American is.

    Most non-Americans tend to be balanced, they tend to say Hamas is wrong and Israel is wrong and that a joint peace needs to be found, Americans just come along and generally seem to say that Israel can do no wrong and the Palestinians are evil, or that is the impression I often get.

    You know me CC, I may not be the most Orthodox traditionalist but I'm hardly what you could call a socialist European. I have moments of High Toryism that could make Dr.Johnson blush. There is nothing idiotic about the attack and it has been noticed by many.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Actually it is an act of war to maintain the occupation and settlement. There is continual taking of land by settlers.
    I support the occupation until there is evidence that the Palestinians can govern themselves without the possibility of their attacking Israel.

    I do not support the settlements, and never have, though about a year ago I posted legal precedent for them to exist. I am glad that Israel has pulled out of most of them, and would encourage them to complete this.

    But if you want to go that far back we can then mention the setting up of Israel which was just massive land-theft. let's not forget that each attack by the arabs had the massive wrong of the progressive stealing of the land of the Palestinians as its backdrop. Jews were only 8% of the population in 1918. History does not help the Israelis.
    History completely supports the Israeli's. Read the 1948 UN Partition Plan for more details.

    I despise the EU, I consider the very implication I have anything to do with that despotism as a personal insult.

    But seriously the rest of the world tends to be far more balanced than the Americans, it is very strange. I'm currently in Australia so don't have direct access to most British media but in Aussieland they are a lot more balanced than the average American is.

    Most non-Americans tend to be balanced, they tend to say Hamas is wrong and Israel is wrong and that a joint peace needs to be found, Americans just come along and generally seem to say that Israel can do no wrong and the Palestinians are evil, or that is the impression I often get.

    You know me CC, I may not be the most Orthodox traditionalist but I'm hardly what you could call a socialist European. I have moments of High Toryism that could make Dr.Johnson blush.
    My comment was directed at your overgeneralization of the American position on this. A presentation could easily be made that most Europeans and European countries are decidedly biased against Israel. Using the old "Americans are Israeli apologetics" or the opposite towards Europeans gets us nowhere in debate.

    Also, my perception of Europeans is that they see everything in the ME as being Israel's fault and could care less if Israel has to put up with bombings. So, notice how inaccurate both our perceptions are? This is what I am pointing out.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I support the occupation until there is evidence that the Palestinians can govern themselves without the possibility of their attacking Israel.
    It is still aggression.

    I do not support the settlements, and never have, though about a year ago I posted legal precedent for them to exist. I am glad that Israel has pulled out of most of them, and would encourage them to complete this.
    That is good to hear.


    History completely supports the Israeli's. Read the 1948 UN Partition Plan for more details.
    I hope you aren't suggesting that the UN can decide what is right.

    My comment was directed at your overgeneralization of the American position on this. A presentation could easily be made that most Europeans and European countries are decidedly biased against Israel. Using the old "Americans are Israeli apologetics" or the opposite towards Europeans gets us nowhere in debate.
    But that presentation couldn't be made. They don't tend to be like that, they just tend to actually criticise Israel now and again, but to some that is considered anti-Israeli. And it isn't Europeans, it is the rest of the West. I'm in Australia and it is much the same. Personally I'm a supporter of Israel as much as I am the Palestinians I just criticise Israel from when appropriate.

    Also, my perception of Europeans is that they see everything in the ME as being Israel's fault and could care less if Israel has to put up with bombings. So, notice how inaccurate both our perceptions are? This is what I am pointing out.
    And that is an incorrect perception, the problem is American seem to consider any criticism as being anti-Israel.
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