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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    In your Opinions, Why do you think Hamas is Launching rockets on Israel ?

    Of course not for nothing, Or what ?
    Because Hamas wants the destruction of Israel and will do anything and everything they can to harm/hurt anyone and anything having to do with Israel.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    Unfortunately, Yes .



    Is that the Essential difference you see ?
    I see that both of them aims to kill civilians under useless arguments.
    The IDF does not AIM to kill civilians. They aim to kill terrorists. It is the terrorists who hide behind civilians.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    And why do you think they hate Israel ?
    Because Israel exists and that most of its citizens are Jews.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Onion Eater View Post
    It is well known that the IDF uses captured civilians as human shields when raiding a house. They tie them together and push them forward, firing their M-16s over the prisoner's shoulder. Wikipedia has a lengthy article about this, including links to videos of it being done: Human shield - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Oh wow, a Wikipedia article written more like propoganda than like fact. Wonder why most teachers do not accept citations from Wikipedia.

    Does Hamas launch rockets from positions near civilian structures like schools? Maybe. I have no way of knowing. But, I should point out, the Gaza Strip and particularly Gaza City is one of the most densely populated areas on Earth. At Gaza we read, "Covering a land area of 360 sq. km (approximately twice the size of Washington, DC) with a population of nearly 1.4 million, the Gaza Strip is a narrow sliver of land."
    I live in a place larger than Gaza and every bit as crowded (or very nearly so). There are plenty of places here with relatively few people. Our military bases are typically AWAY from crowded civilian areas. Hamas purposesly puts themselves in the thick of crowded civilian areas.

    Within such tight confines, it is hard not to be near a school or some similar civilian structure.
    I could do it easily here and I live in a place nearly as crowded as Gaza. THey position themselves in these locations ON PURPOSE.


    It sounds like you should be voting for choice C in my new poll, http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...apartheid.html

    A. Africans are peaceful, non-violent people who would never launch qassam rockets.

    B. Africans do not know enough about physics to construct qassam rockets.

    C. Africans have rights. Palestinians are sub-humans, like cattle, who have no rights.
    I did not vote in the poll because it was a stupid poll.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    This whole situation is pathetic. Hamas launches rockets repeatedly while the UN whispers its condemnations. Israel finally blasts back and the UN screams protests and demands "restraint" as if the UN's solution to stop Hamas' rockets was right around the corner. As Hamas gets its butt kicked, proving that they have existed on Israel's good graces and its sentiments of a possible peace with it, Muslims and others in the region seek to punish people who have nothing to do with it.....

    * Sudan...Muslims have been called to attack Americans.

    * Iraq....Sadr has called for Muslims to attack Americans.

    * Europe....Muslims (and lets not pretend that only Muslims are among them) have targetted Jews.

    * "Palestine".....Religious leaders have argued that by arming the Jews they can't fight.



    Now, the underlying ugly truth, which is becoming almost impossible to deny anymore even by the politically correct stooges, is that this is a Jew/Muslim issue. Not an Israeli issue as Muslims and Westerners pretend, but a Jew/Muslim fight. Why else would "Jews" be targetted in Europe? Why else would Palesitnian leaders address them as "Jews" and not Israelis?

    The truth is that Muslims are absolutely tolerant of Jews as long as they live under Muslims roofs. Jews in Iran are treated as well as other ethnic groups. Jews in Iraq are left alone. But Jews in Isreal were labeled the enemy since day one. Some argue that this is because they made Muslims move over. But I say that with Islam's history of controlling and occupying this land, they have never sought a free "Palestine" until Jews were given half.

    And somehow, American citizens and troops are dragged into the situation as if they have anything at all to do with anything. It's the same everytime. Islamic fanatics hate Saudi Arabia so they target American citizens. Islamic fanatics hate Israel so they target American citizens. European fanatics hate Israel so they target Jews, some of which protest Israel's behaviors at times as well. Don't they have enough intelligence to recognize that their fight is better fought against an enemy they have a chance with? That the local irritant or "enemy" should be their target and not the "evil devil" across the ocean? But who cares about this? Who cares about actually taking on a task they can win or at least gain something from?

    This is a Jew/Muslim thing. Not an Israel/Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, Syria thing. It's the modern day crusade that began one day after Israel's creation by the UN and sustained by the UN's ridiculous actions to keep Palestinians in a refugee status far longer than any other group on earth.

    What I find pathetic is how Muslims in this region can't even decide who the enemy is. Is it Israel or is it Jews? Is it Saudi Arabia or is it America? The argument offerred by the region's failures and our ignorant Western critics is that without America, Israel and Saudi Arabia would have been toppled by the faithful good intentioned Muslims long ago. Of course, with a long line of Arab Muslim leaders who have sought to oppress or slaughter their fellow Muslim according to tribe, they don't have much evidence that Muslim "salivation" will be found in any Arab Muslim's hands. Well, how about this? Since no one gets to take responsibility for what they do because a higher power across the sea is the ultimate enemy of Islam.....can't we just start arguing that since the Muslim world is such a wreck of misery and failure that God isn't on their side in the first place? Since God's ultimate gift (and curse) upon man was free will and the West practices democracy and religious freedom, aren't we seeking God's path and thereby possibly being rewarded with success against those who choose to strip free will from their own?

    I grow tired of the Palestinian/Israeli thing because everyone (especially Palestinians and Western critics) pretends that it is as simple as making Israel behave. That all will be well if only Israel surrenders land and sits on their hands. That the UN has the answers to what it created. That Muslims (as they target Americans in Sudan and Iraq and target Jews in Europe over what is supposed to be seperate from "Jews") have a beef with only Israelis and "Jews" have nothing to do with it.

    The only thing keeping Palesintians down is Palesitnians and their fellow Muslims elsewhere who need the crusade to endure. Were it not for the Hamas rockets, an Israeli assault would have never took place. But the critics merely state that, "had Isreal not occupied Gaza that all wouuld have been well." But how did Israel come to capture Gaza? Suez Canal War, where Muslim insitagtion and aggression forced the Israeli hand? And even with occupation in Gaza, violence is the justified behavior? This calls for constat rocket launches into Israel? Funny how the same critics who blame Israel for these rockets also argue for the sovereignty of Saddam Hussein. Israel gets none of that I guess even while Hussein funded terrorist bombers into Israel.

    It would be amazing to see how many of the globes citizens demand their government take action if they were being shelled and constantly the target of terrorist action. Somehow, I'm sure they would seperate their ordeal with that of Isreal's just to keep pretending to be on that higher non-hypocritical plain.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Muslims and others in the region seek to punish people who have nothing to do with it.....

    * Sudan...Muslims have been called to attack Americans.

    * Iraq....Sadr has called for Muslims to attack Americans.

    * Europe....Muslims (and lets not pretend that only Muslims are among them) have targetted Jews.

    * "Palestine".....Religious leaders have argued that by arming the Jews they can't fight.
    US is giving weapons to Israel which in turn is used to kill Arab Muslims.
    If that isn't linking Americans with it, i have no idea what is.
    If Americans/US do not want to be targeted by Muslims when it comes to Israel, here is my suggestion; Don't defend either side.

    The truth is that Muslims are absolutely tolerant of Jews as long as they live under Muslims roofs. Jews in Iran are treated as well as other ethnic groups. Jews in Iraq are left alone. But Jews in Isreal were labeled the enemy since day one.
    Muslims have no problem with Jews. They are fine, they are the people of the book according to Prophet Mohammed [MPBUP]

    Israelis/Jews need to be "secure" from another Holocaust has displaced a large group of people and caused the creation of a Jewish state on Arab land

    It is not a Jew/Muslim fight, not yet.

    And somehow, American citizens and troops are dragged into the situation as if they have anything at all to do with anything.
    Stop being so one sided and biased and perhaps you wouldn't be dragged into this situation.

    This is a Jew/Muslim thing. Not an Israel/Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, Syria thing. It's the modern day crusade that began one day after Israel's creation by the UN and sustained by the UN's ridiculous actions to keep Palestinians in a refugee status far longer than any other group on earth.
    There is no crusade and if Jews did want to wage a war against the entire 1.2 billion Muslims on this earth. Then target Mecca and we'll see a crusade and we'd damn well win.

    can't we just start arguing that since the Muslim world is such a wreck of misery and failure that God isn't on their side in the first place?
    Jews, Christians and Muslims do not have God on their side.
    They like to pretend they do because that justifys their actions but it is a delusion. The same way Jews pretend to be god's chosen people. Its all BS.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    US is giving weapons to Israel which in turn is used to kill Arab Muslims.
    If that isn't linking Americans with it, i have no idea what is.
    If Americans/US do not want to be targeted by Muslims when it comes to Israel, here is my suggestion; Don't defend either side.
    Well gee. 9/11 is linked to Muslims form Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan so we should have targetted all Muslim Egyptians, Saudis and Jordanians. Easy link right? In fact, 9/11 was a Muslim thing so, like Muslims who called for the targetting of Jews outside of Israel, should we should target all Muslims everywhere as well? Easy link right?

    Is it this simple? I think not. Without America, Muslims would have to look into the mirror, which would simply lead to another scapegoat. We deal with many governments. Even Arab ones. But we are charged with guilt for this too by the fanatics aren't we? Isn't Sudan's Bashir one of these fanatics? Is he doing a good job for his Muslims without our involvement? And how would Kuwaiti Muslims have done without our interference? This blame America for Israel thing is pathetic. Especialy when the answer is to kill the American humanitarian worker that has nothing to do with nothing. It's weak and cowardly. Without the ability to raise up against those who you are truly angry with, they choose to kill the unwitting nobody simply because they are American.

    This "easy link" is for cowards who haven't the ability to address their rage.


    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Muslims have no problem with Jews. They are fine, they are the people of the book according to Prophet Mohammed [MPBUP]

    Israelis/Jews need to be "secure" from another Holocaust has displaced a large group of people and caused the creation of a Jewish state on Arab land

    It is not a Jew/Muslim fight, not yet.


    Um......is this why Jews are being targetted in Europe? If it is an Isralei thing then why are Muslims targetting Jews in Europe? And why are Palesintian leaders criticizing America for arming the "Jews" so that they can't fight them? Notice the terminology. They speak about "Jews" not Israelis. It is BS. Jews re tolerated under Muslims roofs because of obligation to the "People of the Book." But a Jewish government on "Muslim" land? The truth is that the situaiton would have been just fine had the UN decided that "Palesitne" was to be governed by Arab Muslims with Jews underneath.


    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Stop being so one sided and biased and perhaps you wouldn't be dragged into this situation.
    Oh...because the humanitarian worker in Sudan has everything to do with the Israeli/Palesintian issue, right? Despite an American troop never being involved with the Israeli/Palesintian conflict, he is the legitimate target for Muslim rage? In America (the "Christian world"), we criminalize those who throw rocks through the windows of Muslim shops or beat up a Muslim for acts like 9/11. In the Middle East (the "Muslim world") we make acceptable arguments to legitimize the harming if innocents by "linking" them accrording to tribe, color, or national background.

    Muslims argue about "peace," but with examples like Iraq, Sudan, and Afghanistan where Muslims have been guilty of oppressing and slaughtering Muslims, the problem isn't across the ocean or even the tiny sliver of land called Israel.


    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    There is no crusade and if Jews did want to wage a war against the entire 1.2 billion Muslims on this earth. Then target Mecca and we'll see a crusade and we'd damn well win.
    Because Muslim tribal unity is a matter of concrete right? Because Hussein, being the most powerful in the region and lsing his throne in matter of week, is a great example? Because the Taliban were stripped of power in the same amount fo time is a bad example of Muslim might? Give me a break. First, Muslims would have to shake hands between the tribes and stop slaughtering and oppressing one another. And if there is no crusade then why did Palestinian independance only matter to Arabs the moment Jews were given some land?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Jews, Christians and Muslims do not have God on their side.
    They like to pretend they do because that justifys their actions but it is a delusion. The same way Jews pretend to be god's chosen people. Its all BS.
    Yet it is why they fight. A simple acknowldgement of who is and who is not successful in this world should put this silly belief to rest.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The IDF does not AIM to kill civilians. They aim to kill terrorists. It is the terrorists who hide behind civilians.
    What kind of badass shooters are they ?
    Killed more than 700 (more than 30% are women and children) civilian with a few Hamasis only killed ..

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    What kind of badass shooters are they ?
    Killed more than 700 (more than 30% are women and children) civilian with a few Hamasis only killed ..
    Because HAMAS COWARDS HIDE AMONGST CIVILIANS!!!!

    I think civilized posters on here are sick of your lies and mis-statements. 1200 killed in 9/11.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Because Israel exists and that most of its citizens are Jews.
    Actually you dont know what its like to live in Gaza, do you ?

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