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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That is what they tend to say about Israelis, indeed.
    I don't think holding Hamas accountable for acting like barbarians is the same as wanting the annihilation of an entire people.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    In your Opinions, Why do you think Hamas is Launching rockets on Israel ?

    Of course not for nothing, Or what ?
    Hamas relishes killing Jews.

    Why did Germany invade Poland and start WWII? Does the reason for the violence, justify the act? Does Israel have to 'understand' the reasons for the rocket attacks?

    If the Hamas' battle was based on the 'land dispute-rights' theory forwarded by apologists and the majority of Arabs, why then did Hamas engage in attacks against Israel after Israel had unilaterally disengaged from the Gaza strip?

    If Hamas were attacking Israel due to the embargo on Gaza, why didn't Hamas attack directly the IDF forces enforcing the embargo? History has shown us many rebellions were the rebels directly attacked the military force that was restricting their freedom. Yet do we see Hamas fighters directly attacking Israeli forces to end the embargo?

    I'll put it this way, I used to believe the rational reasons for Palestinian resistance, but then I compared their tactics to other people that fought for their independence and rights. Unlike the Scots, Yanks, Native Americans, Welsh or Irish of 1916, or even the Vietnamese, Hamas has not engaged the oppressor to try and gain independence. Rather Hamas kills Jewish civilians under the guise of fighting a resistance war. Strategically if you are fighting for your independence or rights; targeting civilians does not work, you must defeat the actual overwhelming military force by defeating them in battle. Unlike the Scottish wars of Independence, The American War of Independence, the Irish rebellion of 1916 or the Vietnamese against the the French or Americans, Hamas does not and is not willing to actually target the source of the 'rational' grievances of Palestinians.....

    Hamas engages in violence against Israelis, not out of any rational strategic aim, but rather out of a religious and cultural hatred of Jews. The strategy is not to gain freedom or liberty as suggested by the apologists; Hamas has clearly stated their goals, so much that they have put it on the internet.

    Now the beautiful thing about freedom, is that if people truly believe in freedom they will fight for it and they will resist their oppressors. See the Warsaw Jewish uprising of 1943 and the Warsaw General Uprising of 1944.....Gazans talk about wanting freedom and rights, yet they voted in a government that is fascist and theocratic in its tendencies. A government that is the antithesis of human rights, property rights, and natural rights.

    I do not cry tears for the people of Gaza, weeks before the bombing I saw all of those wonderful Hamas rallies were the crowds were quite happy to cheer on the Paramilitary and show their willingness to take on the enemy. And yet when their fight comes; their opportunity to kill their hated enemy, they cry out to the international community for help because the can't stand the horror of war. Like a true coward they talk of war and violence and yet when they face the consequences of the very war that they once wanted, they play the victim card.

    You see, if these people were willing to fight for their freedom in the rational sense that we associate with the great rebellions and resistance movements of history, Hamas would be conducting their war very differently. But their indiscriminate use of rockets against civilians and the previous use of suicide bombers shows that the real motive is to kill as many Jews as possible, and to continue to do so.

    So I ask all of the Hamas apologists to give me an explanation as to why Hamas refuse to mount the majority of their offenses against the IDF. How does this anomaly match up with secular-nationalistic rebellions or resistance movements that have revolved around land rights, political freedoms and freedom from subjugation?

    Hamas' code of conduct reflects their stated goals, not the rational excuses offered by the left of Palestinian apologists.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I don't think holding Hamas accountable for acting like barbarians is the same as wanting the annihilation of an entire people.
    You misunderstand. I agree with Australianlibertarian.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Australianlibertarian View Post
    So I ask all of the Hamas apologists to give me an explanation as to why Hamas refuse to mount the majority of their offenses against the IDF.
    Actually, they shell the border crossings whenever they can.

    But because of the IDF's use of human shields, it is very difficult for Hamas to fire on IDF ground troops without killing Palestinians. See my previous post:

    Quote Originally Posted by Onion Eater View Post
    It is well known that the IDF uses captured civilians as human shields when raiding a house. They tie them together and push them forward, firing their M-16s over the prisoner's shoulder. Wikipedia has a lengthy article about this, including links to videos of it being done: Human shield - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    It is impossible to directly oppose the IDF's primary weapon, Predator drones, because they fly too high and silent and are controlled from afar. Even piloted bombers are out of reach of Hamas. In 2002, the IDF dropped a GBU-24 on an apartment building in the middle of the night, which killed eight children and seven adults, and injured over 150 other people. See the description of this attack at Matar et al v. Dichter. (Note: In the court case it is described as a one-ton bomb, though the GBU-24 is actually a two-ton bomb. See Guided Bomb Unit-24.)

    So, to answer your question, IDF troops are just too darned hard to kill. What would you do? Aim your AK up at the sky in the expectation of hitting the bomber pilot who just took out an entire apartment building to kill one man?

    Using qassam rockets, which are Hamas' only weapon, against an enemy armed with Predator drones and laser-guided bombs is like taking on an Abrams tank with a .22 rifle. Realistically, bouncing a .22 bullet off the side of that tank is a pointless gesture that will just get you killed. Your only viable tactic is to try to pick off one of the stragglers who follow along behind the tank. And, for Hamas, that means aiming qassam rockets at Israeli cities.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonslayer View Post
    Are you sure that No One hates peace?

    I thought that Bush, Cheney, corporate CEOs, and the right wingers all hated peace, if hating peace means profits and gold in their pockets.

    Look at Iraq..
    What the sam hell do your lovers have to do with this topic?

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    correction

    Quote Originally Posted by Onion Eater View Post
    In 2002, the IDF dropped a GBU-24 on an apartment building in the middle of the night, which killed eight children and seven adults, and injured over 150 other people. See the description of this attack at Matar et al v. Dichter. (Note: In the court case it is described as a one-ton bomb, though the GBU-24 is actually a two-ton bomb. See Guided Bomb Unit-24.)
    Correction: The GBU-24 is a one-ton bomb. I'm dyslexic: I read "two thousand pound" and wrote "two tons."

    Either way, that is a lot of ordinance to drop on an apartment building in the middle of the night when all the families are home sleeping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JP Hochbaum View Post
    No tax raises needed, just have the federal government spend the money into existence.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    Actually 1200 Muslims died in 9/11 too .
    You cant be this stupid can you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    Oh , how SMART you are, do you see me crying or begging or sth ?
    what "victim hood" rant you are talking about, or you are talking to another member ?
    silly categorization .
    and yeah, am showing photos in MY post, Is there any objection.
    I'm talking about how morons like you love to shoot your selves in the foot and cry how its Israel faults. You people have a "whine" gene or something.

    How smart am I?
    Hmm I don't believe in a wombat named Allah or Mohamad nor did I post claiming 1200 muslims died on 9/11. How about you?

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    Re: correction

    Quote Originally Posted by Onion Eater View Post
    Correction: The GBU-24 is a one-ton bomb. I'm dyslexic: I read "two thousand pound" and wrote "two tons."

    Either way, that is a lot of ordinance to drop on an apartment building in the middle of the night when all the families are home sleeping.
    War sucks thats why its best to avoid it when you can.
    But don't expect much from people (hamas) so willing to place civilians in harms way for a higher body count.

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    Re: correction

    Quote Originally Posted by cherokee View Post
    War sucks thats why its best to avoid it when you can.
    But don't expect much from people (hamas) so willing to place civilians in harms way for a higher body count.
    Actually, the man they were after lived in that apartment. They all live in large multi-story apartment buildings, you know. There are no single-family homes in Gaza. It is too crowded.

    Quote Originally Posted by Onion Eater View Post
    It is well known that the IDF uses captured civilians as human shields when raiding a house. They tie them together and push them forward, firing their M-16s over the prisoner's shoulder. Wikipedia has a lengthy article about this, including links to videos of it being done: Human shield - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Does Hamas launch rockets from positions near civilian structures like schools? Maybe. I have no way of knowing. But, I should point out, the Gaza Strip and particularly Gaza City is one of the most densely populated areas on Earth. At Gaza we read, "Covering a land area of 360 sq. km (approximately twice the size of Washington, DC) with a population of nearly 1.4 million, the Gaza Strip is a narrow sliver of land."

    Within such tight confines, it is hard not to be near a school or some similar civilian structure.
    Is the following quote reckless in the extreme? Then read my 2008 paper about monetary theory:
    http://www.axiomaticeconomics.com/in...e_collapse.php
    Quote Originally Posted by JP Hochbaum View Post
    No tax raises needed, just have the federal government spend the money into existence.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Onion Eater View Post
    Actually, they shell the border crossings whenever they can.

    But because of the IDF's use of human shields, it is very difficult for Hamas to fire on IDF ground troops without killing Palestinians. See my previous post:



    It is impossible to directly oppose the IDF's primary weapon, Predator drones, because they fly too high and silent and are controlled from afar. Even piloted bombers are out of reach of Hamas. In 2002, the IDF dropped a GBU-24 on an apartment building in the middle of the night, which killed eight children and seven adults, and injured over 150 other people. See the description of this attack at Matar et al v. Dichter. (Note: In the court case it is described as a one-ton bomb, though the GBU-24 is actually a two-ton bomb. See Guided Bomb Unit-24.)

    So, to answer your question, IDF troops are just too darned hard to kill. What would you do? Aim your AK up at the sky in the expectation of hitting the bomber pilot who just took out an entire apartment building to kill one man?

    Using qassam rockets, which are Hamas' only weapon, against an enemy armed with Predator drones and laser-guided bombs is like taking on an Abrams tank with a .22 rifle. Realistically, bouncing a .22 bullet off the side of that tank is a pointless gesture that will just get you killed. Your only viable tactic is to try to pick off one of the stragglers who follow along behind the tank. And, for Hamas, that means aiming qassam rockets at Israeli cities.


    I find your anti-Israel stance to be most distasteful.

    Israel does not use human shields ... that is a Hamas terrorist tactic.

    There will be peace when Hamas relinquishes control of Gaza and disarms.

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