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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    Please stick to main Idea, Arab are'nt in war with Israel right now, we are talking about Hamas and Israel, dont get confused, and dont Involve Arabs into this .
    i am sorry but where is the Pals getting all their weapons
    obviously from nations that think weapons are more important than food/shelter and economic oppurtunities
    wake up to reality
    how does such a poor overpopulated area manage to get so many weapons but nothing else that their people need
    palestinians could be moving forward in teh modern world if they did not piss away all thier money on weapons, or if they got real aid instead of munitions
    they made their bed, now they care complaining about the bed they lie in

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Yeah... initially you said it was not about territory, and now you are seemingly saying that it is, to which I agree. It is all good.

    At this point, I have no idea what your point is though, each time I challenge one of your assertions, you modify or clarify it so that now, I am unclear as to your position. What is your argument? That it is up to Israel to find peace and not react to attacks unless that response is war ending?
    To the Palestinian it is about territory, to the Arab country using Hamas/Hezbollah as a proxy it is not about territory. That is why you see the people of those groups make concessions for peace while their rhetoric remains sharp and uncompromising. They lose Arab support if they water down their charter, but at the same time they desire peace.

    My argument is that the blame game accomplishes nothing and is a poor excuse for an Israeli response that also accomplishes nothing. I saw your brief chronology as a justification for Israel to do whatever it wants, regardless of whether it will solve the problem. Both sides maintain strong stereotypes of each other which are only strengthened by the types of responses we are seeing.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Do you have anything besides the opinion of David Meir-Levi. I was unaware of this law and would like to do a little more research on it.
    This is a good site:

    Israeli-Palestinian - ProCon.org



    I would not if they were willing to do what is necessary to get Palestine on its way to statehood. "Annihilating the threat" is more than destroying Hamas and leaving. The threat is not just Hamas, but the inherent instability and lack of law in Gaza.
    Gaza would not be unstable if the Israelis simply kept it.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    To the Palestinian it is about territory, to the Arab country using Hamas/Hezbollah as a proxy it is not about territory. That is why you see the people of those groups make concessions for peace while their rhetoric remains sharp and uncompromising. They lose Arab support if they water down their charter, but at the same time they desire peace.

    My argument is that the blame game accomplishes nothing and is a poor excuse for an Israeli response that also accomplishes nothing. I saw your brief chronology as a justification for Israel to do whatever it wants, regardless of whether it will solve the problem. Both sides maintain strong stereotypes of each other which are only strengthened by the types of responses we are seeing.

    It hs nothing to do with allowing Israel to do "wahtever they want" and everything to do with understand the origin of the issue so that people understand the truth, instead of the deception. This enables people to discuss peace more effectively.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    I wonder why its legal to keep many Idiots in this site ?
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    I am not refuting Israel's right to use massive force in response to the attacks. I only believe they have an obligation, as a First World country, to use force as a means towards peace and not retribution.

    You have a point in regards to the West Bank. As far as I understand it is still being occupied yet there is little violence under its current political party. Ideally a similar situation could be created in Gaza, as the current one is a disaster, but it will require Israeli sacrifice of lives and time.

    I do not envy Israel's situation. They as a people are facing tremendous opposition and they will strain that opposition further before there will be peace. If Israel does what is necessary to resolve this conflict I will be among the first to congratulate them.

    The fact that they chose their homeland to be in the center of opposition curbs my sympathies and raises my expectations of them at the same time. However, I sometimes get too caught up in the debate and make harsh statements that I later cringe when reading. I hope you do not hold them against me, too much, and can see that my motives are not guided by hate or prejudice.
    Just so you are aware,. holding Israel to a higher set of expectations than others is one of the criteria that the EU identifies as anti-semitism. You might be surprised to know what else is defined as anti-semetic.

    From the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia (EUMC):
    Contemporary examples of anti-Semitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:
    • Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
    • Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as a collective - such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
    • Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
    • Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g., gas chambers), or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
    • Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
    • Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
    Examples of the ways in which anti-Semitism manifests itself with regard to the state of Israel taking into account the overall context could include:
    • Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination (e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor).
    • Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
    • Using the symbols and images associated with classic anti-Semitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
    • Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
    • Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.
    However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as anti-Semitic.



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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    Oh wow , Sounds like UN is the God , So every partition it creat is Sacred and Holy and no one must argue, and deal with that ................ Senseless ...........

    No one creat any partition in any country but its government, otherwise it is called : Invasion ...
    Irrelevant. The partition exists. Israel exists. Israel is not going anywhere. Complaining about the partition is pointless and leads NOWHERE. Don't like it? To bad. It's not going to change. Instead of complaining about this, perhaps the Palestinians should start trying to figure out how to stop causing their own people to get killed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    UN partition : My ass .. Who is UN to creat partition without the agreement of the country ..

    Is that democracy ?
    And everytime you bring up the partition, I will say the same thing. Irrelevant. The partition is exists. Israel exists. Israel is not going anywhere. Don't like it? To bad. Perhaps instead of complaining about the partition, something that will not change, the Palestinians should start acting on figuring out how not to get their people killed. A great way to do this would be to stop attacking Israel and to start focusing on their own citizens. Easy concept that they seem unwilling to do.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Do you set your kids up for failure and then punish them when they do? 80% of the Gaza population are refuges. Their government is in effect operating separately from the West Bank and their economic sector is on the verge of collapse. Toss in a blockade of humanitarian aid and you have a recipe for failure.

    Personally I would throw my kid a lifeline by forcing him into rehab (occupying police force) and purging his self-destructive addictions (Hamas), not punch him in the face and watch him bleed.
    In the parent-child analogy, it is the child that has made the decision to operate as refugees by acting in the way they do. The West Bank children do not, and are not. This is not setting a child up for failure. This is a child refusing everything because it wants its own way and nothing else.
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Cool Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

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    Irrelevant. The partition exists. Israel exists. Israel is not going anywhere. Complaining about the partition is pointless and leads NOWHERE. Don't like it? To bad. It's not going to change. Instead of complaining about this, perhaps the Palestinians should start trying to figure out how to stop causing their own people to get killed.
    Uh, excuse me, I think Ahmed Shaheen’s point could be interpreted as one of self-determination (government/people) only have the right to partition. Maybe like a need to get into the Balfour Declaration thingy and who had authority after the Muslims sailed the ocean blue with their Jewish friends to rest on Ottomans in 1492, and the defeat in WWI which created a vacuum the so-called Palestinians did not take advantage of to beat Israel to the punch for 1948 borders. I am assuming that from Mr. Shaheen’s point of view Balfour was illegal and this is not about hypocrisy (which is the most hated of God), the Arab king had no right to give anything away. The only way around that is the fact the Ottoman Empire invited Jews into it as a precedent, the government of the defeated let Jews into it, the “zoning” like maps used to partition prove Jews occupied it, the Jews beat so-called Palestinians (really just Arabs) to the legal punch of Nationhood; Jews had a right to 1948 borders (government) before the Arabs attacked, and to more after they attacked and lost, all according to laws of conquest in absence of UN power, as nothing is without change. The so-called Palestinians and the Arab League should have proven themselves with the PLO and Arab states attaching Jordan in 1967, who was the occupier of Palestine at the time the PLO charter was created, they did not, the so-called Palestinians lost firm claim to the land right then.

    Now, turn on your speakers, put this in a program to read it to you, and listen carefully.

    “It's not going to change,” is an invalid argument. Liberalism and multiculturalism can kill Israeli culture by taking “In God We Trust” off the bible belt’s flag...if you know what I mean, and surely unresolved and continual warfare with states using terrorist proxies with impunity, with the aid and comfort of Oslo legally forgiving terrorism by the PLO, with “liberal“ Israelis basically saying lucrative life insurance for Hamas suicide bombers is not support for terrorism in violation of H32 of UN resolution 687 and a material breach of 1441, the cry “It's not going to change” is no defense of borders. The proverbs teach to bring the little kiddies up as you would have them go, for they understood nurture and cultural keeping, but the law also has a plan for nature’s child being too wild and unable to learn. “Liberals” are stupid about change and historically get surprised by its Obamanations.

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