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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Adults set boundaries and rules for kids. When kids violate those boundaries and rules, the parent initiates the consequence. This is simple parenting.

    When the kids… the Palestinians and Arabs keep breaking rules and violating boundaries, then the consequences continue. When the kids rebel start destroying the house, and perhaps injuring the other siblings or innocent kids in the house, the parent has to enforce the rules.

    Look, you want the Palestinians and Arabs to be able to pout… to attack and kill Israelis and then to have the Israelis sit back and say, “gee, let’s talk peace” when they know full well that the Palestinians and Arabs want to eradicate Israel. Did the US respond to Japanese aggression after Pearl Harbor? How about France and England after Germany invaded Poland? No… the adults showed the kids what it meant to face consequences.

    I am disappointed that you have not offered any evidence yet regarding your position(s).

    Please stick to main Idea, Arab are'nt in war with Israel right now, we are talking about Hamas and Israel, dont get confused, and dont Involve Arabs into this .

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

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    The State is about territoryAll the debates mean nothing… the territory was given, and whatever the reason and whatever the proteststhis issue is ABOUT THE TERRITORYThat isunless you think that the people of the region would have said“suresince you asked us so nicely, and listed to our feelingswe will gladly support the creation of the State of Israel that consists of non-believers taking over our Holy Lands… yeahno problem!” 
    I do not think that the natives of Palestine were asked nicely....
    Maybe this was impossible...
    Now, what was done is done, cannot be undone.
    The Arabs/Islamics must accept this....They have the oil and over 90% of the land in this area......
    "Holy Land" - male bovine feces !
    A nearly deserted desert is closer to the truth..

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Weren’t you saying Western Powers before? The Ottomans were Arab/Middle Eastern Muslims… Anyway, they have nothing to do with the area being controlled by others, the people had always lived there, it was the introduction of large amounts of Eupropean Jews to the area that created the problem.
    I said colonialism and subjugation by foreign powers, I should have been more specific. The point was that there was a sense of Arab unity in the early to mid 1900s that took the conflict in Palestine as more than a territorial conflict. The end of WWI to the end of WWII seems a small time frame but we both know how rapidly political situations were changing in the 1900s. 30 years was practically an Arab generation, a generation which saw a colonial proxy ruling over their land. In this context it is not difficult to see why the surrounding Arab nations empathized with the Palestinians. This is what I meant about the conflict not being about territory. In a nutshell, its about territory to the Palestinians and its about a form of Western colonialism to the neighboring Arab nations.

    The State is about territory. All the debates mean nothing… the territory was given, and whatever the reason and whatever the protests, this issue is ABOUT THE TERRITORY. That is, unless you think that the people of the region would have said, “sure, since you asked us so nicely, and listed to our feelings, we will gladly support the creation of the State of Israel that consists of non-believers taking over our Holy Lands… yeah, no problem!”
    Not exactly sure what you meant with this. Hopefully my clarification and explanation above satisfies it.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    The State is about territory. All the debates mean nothing… the territory was given, and whatever the reason and whatever the protests, this issue is ABOUT THE TERRITORY. That is, unless you think that the people of the region would have said, “sure, since you asked us so nicely, and listed to our feelings, we will gladly support the creation of the State of Israel that consists of non-believers taking over our Holy Lands… yeah, no problem!”
    so hte existance was Compelling from the begining ..

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I do not think that the natives of Palestine were asked nicely....
    Maybe this was impossible...
    Now, what was done is done, cannot be undone.
    The Arabs/Islamics must accept this....They have the oil and over 90% of the land in this area......
    "Holy Land" - male bovine feces !
    A nearly deserted desert is closer to the truth..
    So expected from an Athiest whos trying to show some Masculinity ...
    Last edited by Ahmed Shaheen; 12-30-08 at 06:16 PM.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    [QUOTE=shiznit770;1057865698]
    Do you set your kids up for failure and then punish them when they do? 80% of the Gaza population are refuges. Their government is in effect operating separately from the West Bank and their economic sector is on the verge of collapse. Toss in a blockade of humanitarian aid and you have a recipe for failure.
    That is not fair. I already addressed this and you summarily dismissed it:

    After their victory, Israel passed a law that allowed Arab refugees
    to re-settle in Israel provided they would sign a form in which they renounced violence, swore allegiance to the state of Israel, and became peaceful productive citizens
    . During the decades of this law’s tenure, more than 150,000 Arab refugees have taken advantage of it to resume productive lives in Israel. Jews do not have a similar option to become citizens of Arab states from which they are banned.


    http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/pdf/biglies.pdf

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1057864378


    You're twisting my argument so let me correct you. Israel has every right to respond to the attacks of Hamas if their response will realistically lead to a resolution of the conflict. Vengeance is a trait shared by dictators and terrorists, not First World powers.

    The examples you have listed fit perfectly with my point. Those responses lead to an end to the war and a peaceful resolution which has lasted more than 50 years.
    I am not trying to twist it, I am trying to understand it...

    So... you would have no problem with Israel invading any hostile nations or areas that attack them and annihilating the threat then?
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    Please stick to main Idea, Arab are'nt in war with Israel right now, we are talking about Hamas and Israel, dont get confused, and dont Involve Arabs into this .

    Arabs might not be involved now, but they are very involved with this issue.
    Don't get confused please, and this is very much a part of the main idea.
    Also, this is the second time that you have chosen to ignore my posted evidence, and I guess this will be the time that I have to simply not take you or your finger pointing and whining seriously. The very heart of the issue lies in the past, not in the present.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    I said colonialism and subjugation by foreign powers, I should have been more specific. The point was that there was a sense of Arab unity in the early to mid 1900s that took the conflict in Palestine as more than a territorial conflict. The end of WWI to the end of WWII seems a small time frame but we both know how rapidly political situations were changing in the 1900s. 30 years was practically an Arab generation, a generation which saw a colonial proxy ruling over their land. In this context it is not difficult to see why the surrounding Arab nations empathized with the Palestinians. This is what I meant about the conflict not being about territory. In a nutshell, its about territory to the Palestinians and its about a form of Western colonialism to the neighboring Arab nations.



    Not exactly sure what you meant with this. Hopefully my clarification and explanation above satisfies it.
    Yeah... initially you said it was not about territory, and now you are seemingly saying that it is, to which I agree. It is all good.

    At this point, I have no idea what your point is though, each time I challenge one of your assertions, you modify or clarify it so that now, I am unclear as to your position. What is your argument? That it is up to Israel to find peace and not react to attacks unless that response is war ending?
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    partition : My ass ..
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That is not fair. I already addressed this and you summarily dismissed it:

    After their victory, Israel passed a law that allowed Arab refugees
    to re-settle in Israel provided they would sign a form in which they renounced violence, swore allegiance to the state of Israel, and became peaceful productive citizens
    . During the decades of this law’s tenure, more than 150,000 Arab refugees have taken advantage of it to resume productive lives in Israel. Jews do not have a similar option to become citizens of Arab states from which they are banned.


    http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/pdf/biglies.pdf

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1057864378
    Do you have anything besides the opinion of David Meir-Levi. I was unaware of this law and would like to do a little more research on it.


    I am not trying to twist it, I am trying to understand it...

    So... you would have no problem with Israel invading any hostile nations or areas that attack them and annihilating the threat then?
    I would not if they were willing to do what is necessary to get Palestine on its way to statehood. "Annihilating the threat" is more than destroying Hamas and leaving. The threat is not just Hamas, but the inherent instability and lack of law in Gaza.
    Last edited by shiznit770; 12-30-08 at 07:04 PM.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    Wonder why ? like I said before : Israel got Armors, Tanks, and High-tech weapons, they got nothing to fear from .
    so that justifies Hamas slaughtering and targeting civilians
    that speaks volumes about you, and muslims in general
    pretty ****ing sad

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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