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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post


    What, you want them to come begging on their knees? The UN divided the land. The Jews accepted the division. The Arabs did not.
    UN partition : My ass .. Who is UN to creat partition without the agreement of the country ..

    Is that democracy ?
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Originally Posted by shiznit770
    I understand the strong responses, but don't confuse my agenda. I don't believe all or even most of the blame lies with Israel, but I certainly hold them responsible to solve the problem. First world countries, like an adult, have more responsibility. Palestine is in no position to bring about the changes necessary for peace. Dismissing the whole conflict as one sides fault accomplishes nothing and only justifies the circle of killing which we have seen for many years.
    Adults set boundaries and rules for kids. When kids violate those boundaries and rules, the parent initiates the consequence. This is simple parenting.

    When the kids… the Palestinians and Arabs keep breaking rules and violating boundaries, then the consequences continue. When the kids rebel start destroying the house, and perhaps injuring the other siblings or innocent kids in the house, the parent has to enforce the rules.

    Look, you want the Palestinians and Arabs to be able to pout… to attack and kill Israelis and then to have the Israelis sit back and say, “gee, let’s talk peace” when they know full well that the Palestinians and Arabs want to eradicate Israel. Did the US respond to Japanese aggression after Pearl Harbor? How about France and England after Germany invaded Poland? No… the adults showed the kids what it meant to face consequences.

    I am disappointed that you have not offered any evidence yet regarding your position(s).
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen
    So Israel was excellent and peaceful nation, and then we attacked them for no reason,,,, does that makes sence to you ?
    Yes. Israel was a peaceful nation and then the Palestinians and Arabs attacked them for no reason. That makes no sense, and that is why the world casts almost all blame on the Palestinians and Arabs.



    Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen
    Israel wouldn't need the blockade if they aren't wrong, they'd murdered many palestinians leaving them in a poverty.
    I am extremely disappointed. I was hoping to get some honest and intellectual responses from some of the Primary Sources Documents and other Historical Evidence that I had supplied in these three posts. Just like the issue in the M.E. though, it seems that people would rather bicker and point fingers about who did what recently than to address the root of the issue and find a solution.

    *sigh*


    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1057864375

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1057864378

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I did not say Israel was 100% peaceful. It can't be. It exists in a nasty part of the world, surrounded by neighbors who do not follow the normal laws of nations.
    1) They aren'nt like that
    2) If they was (like how you clamed them) so why hadn't Israel existed peacefuly from the beginig ?

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Originally Posted by shiznit770
    You're right, I confused the 1948 war with the 1967, my comment makes more sense when that detail is fixed.
    Yes it does…

    Yes, 50 years is being generous. Egypt was conquered closer to 1800 and the Ottoman empire maintained control for hundreds of years.
    Weren’t you saying Western Powers before? The Ottomans were Arab/Middle Eastern Muslims… Anyway, they have nothing to do with the area being controlled by others, the people had always lived there, it was the introduction of large amounts of Eupropean Jews to the area that created the problem.


    Its more than territory. Its Western powers installing a state in the heart of the ME despite its protests, then choosing sides and propping Israel up.
    The State is about territory. All the debates mean nothing… the territory was given, and whatever the reason and whatever the protests, this issue is ABOUT THE TERRITORY. That is, unless you think that the people of the region would have said, “sure, since you asked us so nicely, and listed to our feelings, we will gladly support the creation of the State of Israel that consists of non-believers taking over our Holy Lands… yeah, no problem!”
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy
    And if we use your adult-child analogy, Hamas is an unruly child that keeps acting out, more and more. So, as the adult, Israel must give them consequences, consequences that will stop their acting out, since we have seen that reason has not stopped it, and since we have seen that the unruly child continues to state, publicly, that they will continue to act out.
    One would think that after continuously receiving consequences, the unruly child would learn to stop acting out. Some children, though, refuse to take responsibility for their behavior, and keep doing it. Harsher consequences sometimes ensue. Sometimes small infractions bring about harsh consequences in an effort to nip bad behavior at the beginning to keep it in check. I know that parenting is a perfect analogy to many of these types of issues, but I am constantly amazed at how little people understand about structure and about being held accountable for ones actions.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Ahmed, you and the Palestinians should study the word "support".
    The Pals are playing with fire in supporting the Hamas, now they are getting burned - and they wonder why.....

    There will never be peace as long as Islam wishes to destroy Israel.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Yes. Israel was a peaceful nation and then the Palestinians and Arabs attacked them for no reason.
    Israel when first existed , they evicted Palestinians from their homes and made them homeless, what worse than that ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That makes no sense, and that is why the world casts almost all blame on the Palestinians and Arabs.
    Unfortunately, Israel succeeded in showing the world that they are the Pariah ..

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    There will never be peace as long as Islam wishes to destroy Israel.
    Egypt and Jordan are in peace with Israel, they are Islamic countries too, Which Islam you are talking about ?
    I think you should study "Islam" before Uttering a word about it .

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Adults set boundaries and rules for kids. When kids violate those boundaries and rules, the parent initiates the consequence. This is simple parenting.
    see below.

    When the kids… the Palestinians and Arabs keep breaking rules and violating boundaries, then the consequences continue. When the kids rebel start destroying the house, and perhaps injuring the other siblings or innocent kids in the house, the parent has to enforce the rules.
    Do you set your kids up for failure and then punish them when they do? 80% of the Gaza population are refuges. Their government is in effect operating separately from the West Bank and their economic sector is on the verge of collapse. Toss in a blockade of humanitarian aid and you have a recipe for failure.

    Personally I would throw my kid a lifeline by forcing him into rehab (occupying police force) and purging his self-destructive addictions (Hamas), not punch him in the face and watch him bleed.

    Look, you want the Palestinians and Arabs to be able to pout… to attack and kill Israelis and then to have the Israelis sit back and say, “gee, let’s talk peace” when they know full well that the Palestinians and Arabs want to eradicate Israel. Did the US respond to Japanese aggression after Pearl Harbor? How about France and England after Germany invaded Poland? No… the adults showed the kids what it meant to face consequences.
    You're twisting my argument so let me correct you. Israel has every right to respond to the attacks of Hamas if their response will realistically lead to a resolution of the conflict. Vengeance is a trait shared by dictators and terrorists, not First World powers.

    The examples you have listed fit perfectly with my point. Those responses lead to an end to the war and a peaceful resolution which has lasted more than 50 years.

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