View Poll Results: Is Israel still seeking for peace ? Read the post below :

Voters
117. You may not vote on this poll
  • No

    54 46.15%
  • Yes

    63 53.85%
Page 35 of 138 FirstFirst ... 2533343536374585135 ... LastLast
Results 341 to 350 of 1378

Thread: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for peace ?

  1. #341
    Professor
    shiznit770's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Naperville, IL
    Last Seen
    07-08-10 @ 05:09 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    1,393

    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    1948 Arab–Israeli War

    [edit] First phase: 14 May 1948–11 June 1948
    The British mandate over Palestine was due to expire on 15 May, but Jewish Leadership led by future Prime Minister, David Ben-Gurion, declared independence on 14 May. The State of Israel declared itself as an independent nation, and was quickly recognized by the United States, the Soviet Union, and many other countries.

    Over the next few days, approximately 1,000 Lebanese, 5,000 Syrian, 5,000 Iraqi, and 10,000 Egyptian troops invaded the newly-established state. Four thousand Jordanian troops invaded the Corpus separatum region encompassing Jerusalem and its environs, as well as areas designated as part of the Arab state by the UN partition plan. They were aided by corps of volunteers from Saudi Arabia, Libya and Yemen.


    1948 Arab–Israeli War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




    I see lots of RED lines entering Israel.
    Where are Israels intial "Attack" routes.
    Or again... do you have nothing?

    50 years? The Ottomans fell in 1917, and the Mandate started in 1922.
    I would say... 25 years. Perhaps your issue is in not keeping things in "context", eh?

    They didn't enter the war in 1948 because WWII had just ended and there was this little thing called the Cold War happening, the Berlin Airlift was in effect, the Chinese Revolution was in full effect... you kow, the world was in turmoil and had just ended a World War were 60 million civilians died, most British and Americans wanted to be done, but had to contend with the freaking Russians. I am beginning to understand Captain Courtesy's assessment more and more...

    This conflict is everything about territory. Are you insane?
    You're right, I confused the 1948 war with the 1967, my comment makes more sense when that detail is fixed.

    Yes, 50 years is being generous. Egypt was conquered closer to 1800 and the Ottoman empire maintained control for hundreds of years.

    Its more than territory. Its Western powers installing a state in the heart of the ME despite its protests, then choosing sides and propping Israel up.

    I understand the strong responses, but don't confuse my agenda. I don't believe all or even most of the blame lies with Israel, but I certainly hold them responsible to solve the problem. First world countries, like an adult, have more responsibility. Palestine is in no position to bring about the changes necessary for peace. Dismissing the whole conflict as one sides fault accomplishes nothing and only justifies the circle of killing which we have seen for many years.

  2. #342
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Last Seen
    02-04-09 @ 01:16 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    2,231

    Cool Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    No UNSC resolution is needed for a state to exercise its rights to self defense enshrined in Article 51 of the UN Charter.
    The UN is not complying with its Charter in this matter, never has, and Israel knows it, and is taking advantage of it.

    Since Tashah has said the Iraq war was “defacto illegal,” giving aid and comfort to our foreign and domestic enemies, when the UN resolutions and Charter were clearly authorizing us for Operation Iraqi Freedom, I saw no reason to totally defend Israel without a slap.

    The UN is not complying with Article ONE of the UN Charter, just like the war criminal Obamanation policy of lukewarm “liberal” arts of war of preserving the Butcher of Baghdad for life to ethnically cleanse from self-determination the scary Shiites as a Wesley Clark “cork in the bottle” of French Whine containing Iran.

    “If you wanted to keep Saddam in power to suppress the scary Shiites, you have probably exceeded the limits and violated some verse of the Koran. Have a nice day!” (DivineComedy, 08-11-05, 02:00 PM)
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/archiv...html#post58573

    “Oh yes, Iraq. Let's do that one Comedy. The US government had no problem invading Iraq to destroy its mighty arsenal of “nuclear weapons”. What a joke. Iraq didn't even have a functioning nuclear reactor. The old “Do as I say and not as I do” routine. Right Comedy?” (Tashah)
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/war-te...post1057668246

    See the irony?

    There are no WMD in Gaza. The Biden/Lugar amendment did not pass, so the so-called Iraq war was not limited to disarming Saddam of WMD. H32 of UN resolution 687 was recalled by 1441.

    If H32 of 687 did not authorize us in Iraq after 1441, Israel is also just as illegal as Tashah would claim the Iraq war was:

    “32. Requires Iraq to inform the Security Council that it will not commit or support any act of international terrorism or allow any organization directed towards commission of such acts to operate within its territory and to condemn unequivocally and renounce all acts, methods and practices of terrorism;
    I
    33. Declares that, upon official notification by Iraq to the Secretary-General and to the Security Council of its acceptance of the provisions above, a formal cease-fire is effective between Iraq and Kuwait and the Member States cooperating with Kuwait in accordance with resolution 678 (1990);”

    “A Hamas suicide bomber's family got $25,000 while the others - relatives of militants killed in fighting or civilians killed during Israeli military operations - all received $10,000 each.”
    BBC NEWS | Middle East | Palestinians get Saddam funds

    That is all we needed.

    “Article 1
    The Purposes of the United Nations are:
    1. To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;
    2. To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;
    3. To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion...

    The PLO should have been removed long ago.

    “Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.

    The PLO, not to mention Hamas, and all of the Arab League have been in violation of 242 due to the creation of the PLO Charter and its standing after 242.

    The only way to legally restore international peace and security is for the United Nations to defend the member state of Israel from the terrorist sponsoring and supporting Arab League and other various Islamifascist nations, to wage unrelenting warfare against them until they comply with the Charter.

    The United Nations (of tyrants too) is not going to comply with its charter.

    If Operation Iraqi Freedom was illegal, Israel is illegal. {period}

  3. #343
    Banned

    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Last Seen
    07-11-11 @ 12:00 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    3,249

    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by DivineComedy View Post
    See the irony?
    Yes I do and.........bravo.
    Last edited by Sir Loin; 12-30-08 at 12:05 PM.

  4. #344
    Herzschmerz !
    Ahmed Shaheen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Last Seen
    04-29-14 @ 08:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    1,410

    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    What, you mean like those who lob a rocket into civilian areas when hide amongst civilians?
    No, I mean the ones who air-raided civilian areas while inventing excuses .

  5. #345
    Global Moderator
    Sinister
    CaptainCourtesy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:58 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    133,738

    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post

    I understand the strong responses, but don't confuse my agenda. I don't believe all or even most of the blame lies with Israel, but I certainly hold them responsible to solve the problem. First world countries, like an adult, have more responsibility. Palestine is in no position to bring about the changes necessary for peace. Dismissing the whole conflict as one sides fault accomplishes nothing and only justifies the circle of killing which we have seen for many years.
    And this, essentially, is the problem with your position...and the problem with all those who hold your position. Consider this. Why is Israel not bombing the West Bank? Because people in the West Bank are not firing rockets, daily into Israel. Why is Israel not bombing Lebanon? Because people in Lebanon are not firing rockets, daily into Israel. Why is Israel not bombing Syria? Because people in Syria are not firing rockets, daily into Israel. Why is Israel not bombing anyone other than Gaza? Because only the people in Gaza are firing rockets, daily into Israel. This is why it is Hamas and the Palestinians responsibility to solve the problem.

    And if we use your adult-child analogy, Hamas is an unruly child that keeps acting out, more and more. So, as the adult, Israel must give them consequences, consequences that will stop their acting out, since we have seen that reason has not stopped it, and since we have seen that the unruly child continues to state, publicly, that they will continue to act out.

    One would think that after continuously receiving consequences, the unruly child would learn to stop acting out. Some children, though, refuse to take responsibility for their behavior, and keep doing it.
    "Never fear. Him is here" - Captain Chaos (Dom DeLuise), Cannonball Run

    Mace Windu: Then our worst fears have been realized. We must move quickly if the Jedi Order is to survive.

    ====||:-D

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

  6. #346
    Herzschmerz !
    Ahmed Shaheen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Last Seen
    04-29-14 @ 08:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    1,410

    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonslayer View Post
    Hamas was shooting missile and that was what Israel reponded too. Hamas is more at blame for the deaths than Israel. Hamas seriously provoked the attacks.
    Oh really, so whats the civilian's fault then, dont tell me that their fault was voting to Hamas, of course If they'd knew that this would happen they wouldn't have elected them, even they hadn't support Hamas's attack.

  7. #347
    Herzschmerz !
    Ahmed Shaheen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Last Seen
    04-29-14 @ 08:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    1,410

    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    Ahmed,

    You can't expect a different result when Hamas rocket's its neighbor day after day and week after week despite being warned numerous times to stop. No other nation would put up with that crap. No nation should.

    You can't expect a different result when Hamas locates its militia facilities in residential neighborhoods. No other government does this.

    You can't expect a different result when the Hamas militia wear civilian clothing and hide behind their women and children.

    In short, you can't expect a different result whenever Hamas is involved. Hamas knowingly and willingly provoked war. Whatever ill has happened is due to the very bad decisions and choices of Hamas.

    Isn't it telling that there were no Israeli attacks on the West Bank? And why is that? Simple. Because Fatah does not rocket and mortar civilian cities and towns.

    The people of Gaza knew there would be a hefty price to pay if the Hamas rocket-fire did not stop. No Gazans staged protests at the actions of their government. No Gazans demanded that Hamas stop its attacks on Israel. Google it. None cared at all until they got a return to sender package.
    They wishes to do a protest, But of course they dont wanna die by Israeli-raids while doing that down the street .

  8. #348
    Herzschmerz !
    Ahmed Shaheen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Last Seen
    04-29-14 @ 08:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    1,410

    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Someone else responded that Israel started the 1967 war. I was merely pointing out that this was not the case. You are correct, it does not relate to the creation of Hamas. It DOES relate to the history of Arab desire to destroy Israel however.
    So Israel was excellent and peaceful nation, and then we attacked them for no reason,,,, does that makes sence to you ?

  9. #349
    Herzschmerz !
    Ahmed Shaheen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Last Seen
    04-29-14 @ 08:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    1,410

    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Israel wouldn't need the blockade if Hamas didn't try to get weapons for use against Israel and try to sneak people across the border to kill innocent Israelis.
    Israel wouldn't need the blockade if they aren't wrong, they'd murdered many palestinians leaving them in a poverty.

  10. #350
    Banned Goobieman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Last Seen
    03-22-15 @ 12:36 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    17,343

    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post
    Israel wouldn't need the blockade if they aren't wrong, they'd murdered many palestinians leaving them in a poverty.
    Israel wouldnt need to blockade Gaza if it werent for people like the members of Hamas, etc, who will not rest until palestine is 'liberated', which they define as the destruction of Israel.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •