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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    In Ahmed's defense, he lives in Egypt and was most likely raised with the attitude that Israelis hate Arabs, surrounded by people who also were raised with that attitude. Also, I doubt the Egyptian media provides unbiased coverage by interviewing and printing both sides of the conflict, so obviously one having access only to one side will come to believe that side is the correct one.

    The fact that Ahmed is here, listening to alternative ways of thinking is positive. Of course he doesn't agree, and he is struggling with a new language which makes communication even more difficult. What some of us are saying and the newspaper links he's been given go against everything he's been taught to believe. Still... he has come here, not to an Arab site where everyone agrees with him... and I have to believe he has come here because a part of him wants knowledge he can only get in an international forum.

    That shows some character. I know I'd be scared to go argue my point of view on Arab sites if I had been raised to believe that all Arabs hated me and wanted my people dead. So I'm glad Ahmed is here, and I hope he continues to feel safe enough to both debate with us and learn from us... as we can learn from him as well.
    Are there arab debate sites like this done in English?
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Are there arab debate sites like this done in English?
    I honestly don't know. Since Ahmed has learned enough English to communicate on an English language site, I supposed I'd be expected to know enough Arabic to communicate on an Arab language site... and I think we both know that ain't gonna happen. I'm a bit too, er, obtuse to learn a second language at my age!

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    And this brings what to the debate? Personal attacks from a mod, that's rich.
    It was no personal attack. It exposes that you do not have a good grasp of the history of this situation based on the post that I responded to. It goes to your credibility which is completely pertinent in debate.



    So before, when Gaza was rebuilding police stations and their government which suffers consistent attacks, just as Israel does, they are supposed to start a civil war? This is a laughable expectation from someone sitting comfortably in their home.
    And it is completely laughable for you to claim that they should not do something active to control their own destiny.

    I'll be sure to blame all Palestinians for the attacks when they become an independent functioning nation without blockades, artillery attacks, border raids, air strikes, and political assassinations. Until then the blame for the instability and general chaos indirectly lies with Israel and directly with the Palestinian people. Since you're a smart guy, you must realize that this first impression analysis is inadequate for the situation.
    And all above is irrelevant. No forcing the Palestinian people to take responsibility for their decisions (electing Hamas) and their inaction, infantalizes them and makes them irrelevant. That is what you are proposing. I am proposing that they take action for their own futures and if they want the bombings to stop, to do something about it. Put a stop to those who are responsible...Hamas. Perhaps you would see this if you would stop blaming Israel for a situation that they did not create.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    What a clean and severely lacking account of events. It all sounds logical and fair...if it happened today. Your historical account lacks context. What nations comprised the UN in 1948? Where did the IDF originate from and what forms of coercion did they use to twist the UN's arm into giving them a state? The answer: welcome to the age of terrorism on a democratic state.

    No country in the world would allow the kind of immigration happening in the 1940s, even Britain saw the problem with it and they attempted to stop the Zionist immigration.
    And guess what? All of what you say is irrelevant. Here's the bottom line. Israel exists and is not going anywhere. Don't like that? Tough ****. Either folks learn to deal with this simple truth and figure out how to live peaceably, or the fighting will continue. This is on the Palestinians. Those that do not want Israel to exist had better learn to deal with it's existence. As many have pointed out; Israel has far better weapons. If Hamas wants to keep pushing the envelope and keep up with their violence in some idiotic hope that Israel will go away, all that will happen is that more Palestinians will die. That will be the outcome, here. It is up to the Palestinians to put a stop to this.

    Oh, and focusing on the past and what happened with the UN in 1948 is IRRELEVANT. No logical discussion comes from it and it is a diversionary debate tactic. Try focusing on the present.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    In Ahmed's defense, he lives in Egypt and was most likely raised with the attitude that Israelis hate Arabs, surrounded by people who also were raised with that attitude. Also, I doubt the Egyptian media provides unbiased coverage by interviewing and printing both sides of the conflict, so obviously one having access only to one side will come to believe that side is the correct one.

    The fact that Ahmed is here, listening to alternative ways of thinking is positive. Of course he doesn't agree, and he is struggling with a new language which makes communication even more difficult. What some of us are saying and the newspaper links he's been given go against everything he's been taught to believe. Still... he has come here, not to an Arab site where everyone agrees with him... and I have to believe he has come here because a part of him wants knowledge he can only get in an international forum.

    That shows some character. I know I'd be scared to go argue my point of view on Arab sites if I had been raised to believe that all Arabs hated me and wanted my people dead. So I'm glad Ahmed is here, and I hope he continues to feel safe enough to both debate with us and learn from us... as we can learn from him as well.
    And one further point on this. Though I disagree, completely, with Ahmed's position, I respect and appreciate the way he is presenting it. None of the typical anti-Israeli nastiness that we often see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What about it? The Gaza Strip does not seem to be launching rockets into either Jordan or Egypt.
    Read the whole post. Its in response to Palestine going into poverty, getting food shortages, etc all because of Israel's blockades.

    As mentioned before though, those are arab countries so Hamas isn't allowed to hate them on principle.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Israel: Groping toward the Final Solution to her Palestinian Problem
    In, 'Separating the terror from the terrorists', December 13, 2008, New York Times
    Public Editor Clark Hoyt referred to the occupied West Bank, and Gaza (now in its
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    'the occupied West Bank or Gaza, which Israel and the Palestinians have been
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Read your link. Nothing but inaccurate, misrepresenting, anti-Israeli propaganda. Try to direct us to something that has facts and accuracy, next time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Egypt started the war in 1967 with the illegal blockade of the Gulf of Eilat.
    Egyptian war had nothin to do with the Creation of Hamas.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    More inaccuracies here. Just like you did in the *BN* thread.

    Can't you debate with any integrity?

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