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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Damn they are good. Make the only "viable" option your option. Israel should now be known as "The BlackHole State" Absorbing you in the near future. Then America can join and well all be "The BlackHole States."

    Got ethnocentrism?
    Since when is making a viable option the only option?

    Since when is passing a law allowing refugees to re-settle in a land providing they would sign a form in which they renounced violence, swore llegiance to the state, and became peaceful productive citizens something that is wrong or bad?
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    What a clean and severely lacking account of events. It all sounds logical and fair...if it happened today. Your historical account lacks context. What nations comprised the UN in 1948? Where did the IDF originate from and what forms of coercion did they use to twist the UN's arm into giving them a state? The answer: welcome to the age of terrorism on a democratic state.

    No country in the world would allow the kind of immigration happening in the 1940s, even Britain saw the problem with it and they attempted to stop the Zionist immigration.
    Well too bad it happened in an age where it was allowed. What are we supposed to do? Undo what was done so people like you can feel better about sympathizing with a terrorist regime?

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    What a clean and severely lacking account of events. It all sounds logical and fair...if it happened today. Your historical account lacks context. What nations comprised the UN in 1948? Where did the IDF originate from and what forms of coercion did they use to twist the UN's arm into giving them a state? The answer: welcome to the age of terrorism on a democratic state.

    No country in the world would allow the kind of immigration happening in the 1940s, even Britain saw the problem with it and they attempted to stop the Zionist immigration.
    It is logical and fair. You can say that might happen now, in fact. What if China fell and the UN took over and returned Tibet, for example. There are others.

    The IDF was formed in the 30's, but was official in 1948. Not sure what you think the IDF did to the UN in less than three years that allowed them to coerce the world into doing something that was already kinda going on for the past twenty years.

    My outline perfectly aligns contextually... Lets see something of your own, for it is sophomoric and easy to sit back and attempt to discredit arguments with nothing but your opinion.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    You need a clue. The violence in 1948 was perpetrated by the ARABS who invaded the newly declared state on the basis of a UN resolution, NOT the JEws.
    I'm not denying the start of the war...Israel attacked first, but only after it was obvious and publicly declared by the Arab nations that there would be a war.

    The Arab nations, having suffered from the effects of colonialism or subjugation by a foreign power for the past 50 years saw the Western installed state of Israel a slap in the balls.

    Why do you think no western nations entered the war in 1948 or even 1967? They could never sell it to their public due to the questionable nature of Israel's creation.

    This conflict is not about territory, it is far to complicated to adequately describe in a paragraph.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Well too bad it happened in an age where it was allowed. What are we supposed to do? Undo what was done so people like you can feel better about sympathizing with a terrorist regime?
    And that is what it is all about... people sympathizing with terrorists instead of demanding that those that would be terrorists instead conduct themselves properly and peacefully.

    Nobody in the world would back Israel if Hamas got rid of all of the guns and stopped rocket attacks and started wearing suits, walked up to the Israeli soldiers with flowers and peaceful treaties. It would be Gandhi and the British Empire all over again, except in today's world, NOBODY would allow the Israelis to keep killing unarmed peaceful protesters like they allowed the British to get away with back in the days of mass racism.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    I'm not denying the start of the war...Israel attacked first, but only after it was obvious and publicly declared by the Arab nations that there would be a war.

    The Arab nations, having suffered from the effects of colonialism or subjugation by a foreign power for the past 50 years saw the Western installed state of Israel a slap in the balls.

    Why do you think no western nations entered the war in 1948 or even 1967? They could never sell it to their public due to the questionable nature of Israel's creation.

    This conflict is not about territory, it is far to complicated to adequately describe in a paragraph.
    None helped Israel because they didn't need help.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    My outline perfectly aligns contextually... Lets see something of your own, for it is sophomoric and easy to sit back and attempt to discredit arguments with nothing but your opinion.
    Sorry, your post was more than opinion?

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    I'm not denying the start of the war...Israel attacked first, but only after it was obvious and publicly declared by the Arab nations that there would be a war.

    1948 Arab–Israeli War

    [edit] First phase: 14 May 1948–11 June 1948
    The British mandate over Palestine was due to expire on 15 May, but Jewish Leadership led by future Prime Minister, David Ben-Gurion, declared independence on 14 May. The State of Israel declared itself as an independent nation, and was quickly recognized by the United States, the Soviet Union, and many other countries.

    Over the next few days, approximately 1,000 Lebanese, 5,000 Syrian, 5,000 Iraqi, and 10,000 Egyptian troops invaded the newly-established state. Four thousand Jordanian troops invaded the Corpus separatum region encompassing Jerusalem and its environs, as well as areas designated as part of the Arab state by the UN partition plan. They were aided by corps of volunteers from Saudi Arabia, Libya and Yemen.


    1948 Arab–Israeli War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





    I see lots of RED lines entering Israel.
    Where are Israels intial "Attack" routes.
    Or again... do you have nothing?


    The Arab nations, having suffered from the effects of colonialism or subjugation by a foreign power for the past 50 years saw the Western installed state of Israel a slap in the balls.
    50 years? The Ottomans fell in 1917, and the Mandate started in 1922.
    I would say... 25 years. Perhaps your issue is in not keeping things in "context", eh?


    Why do you think no western nations entered the war in 1948 or even 1967? They could never sell it to their public due to the questionable nature of Israel's creation.
    They didn't enter the war in 1948 because WWII had just ended and there was this little thing called the Cold War happening, the Berlin Airlift was in effect, the Chinese Revolution was in full effect... you kow, the world was in turmoil and had just ended a World War were 60 million civilians died, most British and Americans wanted to be done, but had to contend with the freaking Russians. I am beginning to understand Captain Courtesy's assessment more and more...


    This conflict is not about territory, it is far to complicated to adequately describe in a paragraph.
    This conflict is everything about territory. Are you insane?
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Sorry, your post was more than opinion?

    *sigh* Yeah... to any honest person.
    Historical Interpretation. I supplied evidence and tied together that with history.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post

    This illuminates your ignorance on this entire subject!


    If you don't accept this as reality then there really is no sense discussing this further with you.
    In Ahmed's defense, he lives in Egypt and was most likely raised with the attitude that Israelis hate Arabs, surrounded by people who also were raised with that attitude. Also, I doubt the Egyptian media provides unbiased coverage by interviewing and printing both sides of the conflict, so obviously one having access only to one side will come to believe that side is the correct one.

    The fact that Ahmed is here, listening to alternative ways of thinking is positive. Of course he doesn't agree, and he is struggling with a new language which makes communication even more difficult. What some of us are saying and the newspaper links he's been given go against everything he's been taught to believe. Still... he has come here, not to an Arab site where everyone agrees with him... and I have to believe he has come here because a part of him wants knowledge he can only get in an international forum.

    That shows some character. I know I'd be scared to go argue my point of view on Arab sites if I had been raised to believe that all Arabs hated me and wanted my people dead. So I'm glad Ahmed is here, and I hope he continues to feel safe enough to both debate with us and learn from us... as we can learn from him as well.

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