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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    let both sides unleash their dogs of war and lets just see this settled in a couple fo days

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Perhaps because they choose to look at the history of the situation instead of the most recent turn of events. Israel violently made its state and has been at war ever since, no country wants to get fully involved for a cause that has become questionable.
    You need a clue. The violence in 1948 was perpetrated by the ARABS who invaded the newly declared state on the basis of a UN resolution, NOT the JEws.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Egypt started the war in 1967 with the illegal blockade of the Gulf of Eilat.

    It was started days after Israel declared Indepedence in 1948.
    The Arabs are in the wrong, there is no other way to look at it.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    ORIGIN OF THE ISSUE:

    After World War I, the British gained lands in the M.E. that had belonged to the Ottoman Empire since 1520 or so. After 1919, the British Mandate of Palestine, which the League of Nations entrusted to the United Kingdom to administer in the aftermath of World War I, became a Mandate Territory and the U.K. tried to govern fairly so that both the Arabs and the Jews would be able to live peacably together in separate lands.

    1. Britain told the Arabs, through Lawrence of Arabia, independence for a united Arab country covering most of the Arab Middle East, in exchange for their supporting the British. This area did not include Palestine.

    "I feel it my duty to state, and I do so definitely and emphatically, that it was not intended by me in giving this pledge to King Hussein to include Palestine in the area in which Arab independence was promised. I also had every reason to believe at the time that the fact that Palestine was not included in my pledge was well understood by King Hussein"

    The Hussein-McMahon Correspondence

    2. Britain had promised to create and foster a Jewish national home as laid out in the Balfour Declaration, 1917.

    "His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

    The Balfour Declaration

    Tensions were up from the beginning. As tens of thousands of Jews immigrated to the ME, many Arabs started to resent it. Violence ensued as Arabs attacked and killed Jewish civilians over issues like land ownership, and ownership of what grows on the land. Different understandings of ownership and miscommunication coupled with increasing numbers of Jews immigrating and being diplaced by rising anti-semtism over time and into the 1930's and Hitler/Facism say an increase in violence.

    WWII had a major effect on the situation in Palestine. During the war, the British forbade entry into Palestine of European Jews escaping Nazi persecution, placing them in detention camps or deporting them to places such as Mauritius.

    Following the war, 250,000 Jewish refugees were stranded in displaced persons camps in Europe. Despite the pressure of world opinion, in particular the repeated requests of US President Harry S. Truman and the recommendations of the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, the British refused to lift the ban on immigration and admit 100,000 displaced persons to Palestine. The Jewish underground forces then united and carried out several attacks against the British. In 1946, the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, the headquarters of the British administration, killing 92 people.

    Seeing that the situation was quickly spiraling out of hand, the British announced their desire to terminate their mandate and to withdraw by May 1948.

    III. Independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem, set forth in part III of this plan, shall come into existence in Palestine two months after the evacuation of the armed forces of the mandatory Power has been completed but in any case not later than 1 October 1948. The boundaries of the Arab State, the Jewish State, and the City of Jerusalem shall be as described in parts II and III below.

    Palestine Center - UN Resolution 181

    The U.N. votes on the creation of two States: one for the Jewish inhabitants of the Palestine Mandate, and a second one for the Arab inhabitants. The Jewish residents accept, but the Arabs and Palestinians refuse the two State solution and the 1948 war is under way.

    It is quite clear that the Arabs feel slighted due to a misunderstanding. They were never promised the Palestine area, but they feel that the encroachment of the Jews and the ommishion of Palestine to their territory justifies violence. Gradually, over time, the Israelies have tightened their grip.

    I do not want to get into modern policies, nor do I want to talk about the 1967 War or any other until we can nail down and address the root of the issue. If one side or another is operating off of a false premise of righteousness, then that is how we begin to address a solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Hmmm...reading this, it is good to know that you do not have a good understanding of the historical situation. Perhaps that is your problem.
    And this brings what to the debate? Personal attacks from a mod, that's rich.

    You should take a closer look at Gaza. 1) Their police stations were just bombed. What about before? 2) Their police supported terorrism, which is why they were bombed. Perhaps if they did what they were supposed to...policed...that might not have happpened.

    Absolutely. But let's be clear. You would prefer to blame everyone else other than those whose fault it is...the Palestinians.
    So before, when Gaza was rebuilding police stations and their government which suffers consistent attacks, just as Israel does, they are supposed to start a civil war? This is a laughable expectation from someone sitting comfortably in their home.

    I'll be sure to blame all Palestinians for the attacks when they become an independent functioning nation without blockades, artillery attacks, border raids, air strikes, and political assassinations. Until then the blame for the instability and general chaos indirectly lies with Israel and directly with the Palestinian people. Since you're a smart guy, you must realize that this first impression analysis is inadequate for the situation.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    After their victory, Israel passed a law that allowed Arab refugees
    to re-settle in Israel provided they would sign a form in which they
    renounced violence, swore allegiance to the state of Israel, and became
    peaceful productive citizens. During the decades of this law’s tenure,
    more than 150,000 Arab refugees have taken advantage of it to resume productive lives in Israel. Jews do not have a similar option to become citizens of Arab states from which they are banned.


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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post

    Arabs Now are calling the Egyptian Government and Officials to open the barrier between Gaza and Egypt otherwise they are Involved in this bloody action.
    If they open their borders its only a matter of time before someone from the Axis of Good bombs um due to Egypt appeasing terrorists.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    And this brings what to the debate? Personal attacks from a mod, that's rich.
    That was in no way, shape or form... an insult.
    It was an observation or assessment, if anything.
    Perhaps you are simply feeling inadequate?



    I'll be sure to blame all Palestinians for the attacks when they become an independent functioning nation without blockades, artillery attacks, border raids, air strikes, and political assassinations. Until then the blame for the instability and general chaos indirectly lies with Israel and directly with the Palestinian people. Since you're a smart guy, you must realize that this first impression analysis is inadequate for the situation.

    The reason for the blockades, artillery attacks, border raids, air strikes, and political assassinations is completely and utterly the fault of the Arabs... the ones that invaded Israel days after they declared independence and the ones that are relentlessly fighting, breaking truces, conducting cowardly rocket attacks, doing political assissinations of their own and after all is said and done, simply NOT living peacefully or respecting truces and peace.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    After their victory, Israel passed a law that allowed Arab refugees
    to re-settle in Israel provided they would sign a form in which they
    renounced violence, swore allegiance to the state of Israel, and became
    peaceful productive citizens. During the decades of this law’s tenure,
    more than 150,000 Arab refugees have taken advantage of it to resume productive lives in Israel. Jews do not have a similar option to become citizens of Arab states from which they are banned.


    http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/pdf/biglies.pdf
    Damn they are good. Make the only "viable" option your option. Israel should now be known as "The BlackHole State" Absorbing you in the near future. Then America can join and well all be "The BlackHole States."

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    ORIGIN OF THE ISSUE:

    After World War I, the British gained lands in the M.E. that had belonged to the Ottoman Empire since 1520 or so. After 1919, the British Mandate of Palestine, which the League of Nations entrusted to the United Kingdom to administer in the aftermath of World War I, became a Mandate Territory and the U.K. tried to govern fairly so that both the Arabs and the Jews would be able to live peacably together in separate lands.

    1. Britain told the Arabs, through Lawrence of Arabia, independence for a united Arab country covering most of the Arab Middle East, in exchange for their supporting the British. This area did not include Palestine.

    "I feel it my duty to state, and I do so definitely and emphatically, that it was not intended by me in giving this pledge to King Hussein to include Palestine in the area in which Arab independence was promised. I also had every reason to believe at the time that the fact that Palestine was not included in my pledge was well understood by King Hussein"

    The Hussein-McMahon Correspondence

    2. Britain had promised to create and foster a Jewish national home as laid out in the Balfour Declaration, 1917.

    "His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

    The Balfour Declaration

    Tensions were up from the beginning. As tens of thousands of Jews immigrated to the ME, many Arabs started to resent it. Violence ensued as Arabs attacked and killed Jewish civilians over issues like land ownership, and ownership of what grows on the land. Different understandings of ownership and miscommunication coupled with increasing numbers of Jews immigrating and being diplaced by rising anti-semtism over time and into the 1930's and Hitler/Facism say an increase in violence.

    WWII had a major effect on the situation in Palestine. During the war, the British forbade entry into Palestine of European Jews escaping Nazi persecution, placing them in detention camps or deporting them to places such as Mauritius.

    Following the war, 250,000 Jewish refugees were stranded in displaced persons camps in Europe. Despite the pressure of world opinion, in particular the repeated requests of US President Harry S. Truman and the recommendations of the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, the British refused to lift the ban on immigration and admit 100,000 displaced persons to Palestine. The Jewish underground forces then united and carried out several attacks against the British. In 1946, the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, the headquarters of the British administration, killing 92 people.

    Seeing that the situation was quickly spiraling out of hand, the British announced their desire to terminate their mandate and to withdraw by May 1948.

    III. Independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem, set forth in part III of this plan, shall come into existence in Palestine two months after the evacuation of the armed forces of the mandatory Power has been completed but in any case not later than 1 October 1948. The boundaries of the Arab State, the Jewish State, and the City of Jerusalem shall be as described in parts II and III below.

    Palestine Center - UN Resolution 181

    The U.N. votes on the creation of two States: one for the Jewish inhabitants of the Palestine Mandate, and a second one for the Arab inhabitants. The Jewish residents accept, but the Arabs and Palestinians refuse the two State solution and the 1948 war is under way.

    It is quite clear that the Arabs feel slighted due to a misunderstanding. They were never promised the Palestine area, but they feel that the encroachment of the Jews and the ommishion of Palestine to their territory justifies violence. Gradually, over time, the Israelies have tightened their grip.

    I do not want to get into modern policies, nor do I want to talk about the 1967 War or any other until we can nail down and address the root of the issue. If one side or another is operating off of a false premise of righteousness, then that is how we begin to address a solution.

    “Israel is the only state in the world today, and the Jews the only people in the world today, that are the object of a standing set of threats from governmental, religious, and terrorist bodies seeking their destruction. And what is most disturbing is the silence, the indifference, and sometimes even the indulgence, in the face of such genocidal anti-Semitism.”

    — Canadian Minister of Justice and Attorney General Irwin Cotler
    What a clean and severely lacking account of events. It all sounds logical and fair...if it happened today. Your historical account lacks context. What nations comprised the UN in 1948? Where did the IDF originate from and what forms of coercion did they use to twist the UN's arm into giving them a state? The answer: welcome to the age of terrorism on a democratic state.

    No country in the world would allow the kind of immigration happening in the 1940s, even Britain saw the problem with it and they attempted to stop the Zionist immigration.

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