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OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for peace ?

Is Israel still seeking for peace ? Read the post below :

  • No

    Votes: 26 37.7%
  • Yes

    Votes: 43 62.3%

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Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

lets go back to 1967, was Hamas created then ? bullets and rockets was killing Palestinians then.

Egypt started the conflict with they committed an act of war by blockading the Gulf of Eilat.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

The UN created the partition.
Thus, Israel is every bit as legitimate as a state, and has every bit the same right to exist, as any other state in the region.

Oh wow , Sounds like UN is the God , So every partition it creat is Sacred and Holy and no one must argue, and deal with that ................ Senseless ...........

No one creat any partition in any country but its government, otherwise it is called : Invasion ...
 
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Ahmed, I believe in Israels right to exist. I do not believe in their right to subjugate the people of the Gaza Strip into poverty.

They wouldn't have to maintain the blockade if Gaza wasn't constantly used as a staging area for attacks against Israel.
 
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:rofl:rofl

What, you want them to come begging on their knees? The UN divided the land. The Jews accepted the division. The Arabs did not.

UN partition : My ass .. Who is UN to creat partition without the agreement of the country ..

Is that democracy ?
 
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Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Originally Posted by shiznit770
I understand the strong responses, but don't confuse my agenda. I don't believe all or even most of the blame lies with Israel, but I certainly hold them responsible to solve the problem. First world countries, like an adult, have more responsibility. Palestine is in no position to bring about the changes necessary for peace. Dismissing the whole conflict as one sides fault accomplishes nothing and only justifies the circle of killing which we have seen for many years.

Adults set boundaries and rules for kids. When kids violate those boundaries and rules, the parent initiates the consequence. This is simple parenting.

When the kids… the Palestinians and Arabs keep breaking rules and violating boundaries, then the consequences continue. When the kids rebel start destroying the house, and perhaps injuring the other siblings or innocent kids in the house, the parent has to enforce the rules.

Look, you want the Palestinians and Arabs to be able to pout… to attack and kill Israelis and then to have the Israelis sit back and say, “gee, let’s talk peace” when they know full well that the Palestinians and Arabs want to eradicate Israel. Did the US respond to Japanese aggression after Pearl Harbor? How about France and England after Germany invaded Poland? No… the adults showed the kids what it meant to face consequences.

I am disappointed that you have not offered any evidence yet regarding your position(s).
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen
So Israel was excellent and peaceful nation, and then we attacked them for no reason,,,, does that makes sence to you ?

Yes. Israel was a peaceful nation and then the Palestinians and Arabs attacked them for no reason. That makes no sense, and that is why the world casts almost all blame on the Palestinians and Arabs.



Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen
Israel wouldn't need the blockade if they aren't wrong, they'd murdered many palestinians leaving them in a poverty.

I am extremely disappointed. I was hoping to get some honest and intellectual responses from some of the Primary Sources Documents and other Historical Evidence that I had supplied in these three posts. Just like the issue in the M.E. though, it seems that people would rather bicker and point fingers about who did what recently than to address the root of the issue and find a solution.

*sigh*


http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...el-still-seeking-peace-31.html#post1057864375

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...el-still-seeking-peace-31.html#post1057864378

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...el-still-seeking-peace-32.html#post1057864439
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

I did not say Israel was 100% peaceful. It can't be. It exists in a nasty part of the world, surrounded by neighbors who do not follow the normal laws of nations.

1) They aren'nt like that
2) If they was (like how you clamed them) so why hadn't Israel existed peacefuly from the beginig ?
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Originally Posted by shiznit770
You're right, I confused the 1948 war with the 1967, my comment makes more sense when that detail is fixed.

Yes it does…

Yes, 50 years is being generous. Egypt was conquered closer to 1800 and the Ottoman empire maintained control for hundreds of years.

Weren’t you saying Western Powers before? The Ottomans were Arab/Middle Eastern Muslims… Anyway, they have nothing to do with the area being controlled by others, the people had always lived there, it was the introduction of large amounts of Eupropean Jews to the area that created the problem.


Its more than territory. Its Western powers installing a state in the heart of the ME despite its protests, then choosing sides and propping Israel up.

The State is about territory. All the debates mean nothing… the territory was given, and whatever the reason and whatever the protests, this issue is ABOUT THE TERRITORY. That is, unless you think that the people of the region would have said, “sure, since you asked us so nicely, and listed to our feelings, we will gladly support the creation of the State of Israel that consists of non-believers taking over our Holy Lands… yeah, no problem!”
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy
And if we use your adult-child analogy, Hamas is an unruly child that keeps acting out, more and more. So, as the adult, Israel must give them consequences, consequences that will stop their acting out, since we have seen that reason has not stopped it, and since we have seen that the unruly child continues to state, publicly, that they will continue to act out.

One would think that after continuously receiving consequences, the unruly child would learn to stop acting out. Some children, though, refuse to take responsibility for their behavior, and keep doing it. Harsher consequences sometimes ensue. Sometimes small infractions bring about harsh consequences in an effort to nip bad behavior at the beginning to keep it in check. I know that parenting is a perfect analogy to many of these types of issues, but I am constantly amazed at how little people understand about structure and about being held accountable for ones actions.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Ahmed, you and the Palestinians should study the word "support".
The Pals are playing with fire in supporting the Hamas, now they are getting burned - and they wonder why.....

There will never be peace as long as Islam wishes to destroy Israel.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Yes. Israel was a peaceful nation and then the Palestinians and Arabs attacked them for no reason.

Israel when first existed , they evicted Palestinians from their homes and made them homeless, what worse than that ?

That makes no sense, and that is why the world casts almost all blame on the Palestinians and Arabs.

Unfortunately, Israel succeeded in showing the world that they are the Pariah ..
 
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There will never be peace as long as Islam wishes to destroy Israel.

Egypt and Jordan are in peace with Israel, they are Islamic countries too, Which Islam you are talking about ?
I think you should study "Islam" before Uttering a word about it .
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Adults set boundaries and rules for kids. When kids violate those boundaries and rules, the parent initiates the consequence. This is simple parenting.

see below.

When the kids… the Palestinians and Arabs keep breaking rules and violating boundaries, then the consequences continue. When the kids rebel start destroying the house, and perhaps injuring the other siblings or innocent kids in the house, the parent has to enforce the rules.

Do you set your kids up for failure and then punish them when they do? 80% of the Gaza population are refuges. Their government is in effect operating separately from the West Bank and their economic sector is on the verge of collapse. Toss in a blockade of humanitarian aid and you have a recipe for failure.

Personally I would throw my kid a lifeline by forcing him into rehab (occupying police force) and purging his self-destructive addictions (Hamas), not punch him in the face and watch him bleed.

Look, you want the Palestinians and Arabs to be able to pout… to attack and kill Israelis and then to have the Israelis sit back and say, “gee, let’s talk peace” when they know full well that the Palestinians and Arabs want to eradicate Israel. Did the US respond to Japanese aggression after Pearl Harbor? How about France and England after Germany invaded Poland? No… the adults showed the kids what it meant to face consequences.

You're twisting my argument so let me correct you. Israel has every right to respond to the attacks of Hamas if their response will realistically lead to a resolution of the conflict. Vengeance is a trait shared by dictators and terrorists, not First World powers.

The examples you have listed fit perfectly with my point. Those responses lead to an end to the war and a peaceful resolution which has lasted more than 50 years.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Adults set boundaries and rules for kids. When kids violate those boundaries and rules, the parent initiates the consequence. This is simple parenting.

When the kids… the Palestinians and Arabs keep breaking rules and violating boundaries, then the consequences continue. When the kids rebel start destroying the house, and perhaps injuring the other siblings or innocent kids in the house, the parent has to enforce the rules.

Look, you want the Palestinians and Arabs to be able to pout… to attack and kill Israelis and then to have the Israelis sit back and say, “gee, let’s talk peace” when they know full well that the Palestinians and Arabs want to eradicate Israel. Did the US respond to Japanese aggression after Pearl Harbor? How about France and England after Germany invaded Poland? No… the adults showed the kids what it meant to face consequences.

I am disappointed that you have not offered any evidence yet regarding your position(s).


Please stick to main Idea, Arab are'nt in war with Israel right now, we are talking about Hamas and Israel, dont get confused, and dont Involve Arabs into this .
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

PHP:
The State is about territory. All the debates mean nothing… the territory was given, and whatever the reason and whatever the protests, this issue is ABOUT THE TERRITORY. That is, unless you think that the people of the region would have said, “sure, since you asked us so nicely, and listed to our feelings, we will gladly support the creation of the State of Israel that consists of non-believers taking over our Holy Lands… yeah, no problem!”
I do not think that the natives of Palestine were asked nicely....
Maybe this was impossible...
Now, what was done is done, cannot be undone.
The Arabs/Islamics must accept this....They have the oil and over 90% of the land in this area......
"Holy Land" - male bovine feces !
A nearly deserted desert is closer to the truth..
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Weren’t you saying Western Powers before? The Ottomans were Arab/Middle Eastern Muslims… Anyway, they have nothing to do with the area being controlled by others, the people had always lived there, it was the introduction of large amounts of Eupropean Jews to the area that created the problem.

I said colonialism and subjugation by foreign powers, I should have been more specific. The point was that there was a sense of Arab unity in the early to mid 1900s that took the conflict in Palestine as more than a territorial conflict. The end of WWI to the end of WWII seems a small time frame but we both know how rapidly political situations were changing in the 1900s. 30 years was practically an Arab generation, a generation which saw a colonial proxy ruling over their land. In this context it is not difficult to see why the surrounding Arab nations empathized with the Palestinians. This is what I meant about the conflict not being about territory. In a nutshell, its about territory to the Palestinians and its about a form of Western colonialism to the neighboring Arab nations.

The State is about territory. All the debates mean nothing… the territory was given, and whatever the reason and whatever the protests, this issue is ABOUT THE TERRITORY. That is, unless you think that the people of the region would have said, “sure, since you asked us so nicely, and listed to our feelings, we will gladly support the creation of the State of Israel that consists of non-believers taking over our Holy Lands… yeah, no problem!”

Not exactly sure what you meant with this. Hopefully my clarification and explanation above satisfies it.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

The State is about territory. All the debates mean nothing… the territory was given, and whatever the reason and whatever the protests, this issue is ABOUT THE TERRITORY. That is, unless you think that the people of the region would have said, “sure, since you asked us so nicely, and listed to our feelings, we will gladly support the creation of the State of Israel that consists of non-believers taking over our Holy Lands… yeah, no problem!”

so hte existance was Compelling from the begining ..

I do not think that the natives of Palestine were asked nicely....
Maybe this was impossible...
Now, what was done is done, cannot be undone.
The Arabs/Islamics must accept this....They have the oil and over 90% of the land in this area......
"Holy Land" - male bovine feces !
A nearly deserted desert is closer to the truth..

So expected from an Athiest whos trying to show some Masculinity ...
 
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Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Do you set your kids up for failure and then punish them when they do? 80% of the Gaza population are refuges. Their government is in effect operating separately from the West Bank and their economic sector is on the verge of collapse. Toss in a blockade of humanitarian aid and you have a recipe for failure.

That is not fair. I already addressed this and you summarily dismissed it:

After their victory, Israel passed a law that allowed Arab refugees
to re-settle in Israel provided they would sign a form in which they renounced violence, swore allegiance to the state of Israel, and became peaceful productive citizens
. During the decades of this law’s tenure, more than 150,000 Arab refugees have taken advantage of it to resume productive lives in Israel. Jews do not have a similar option to become citizens of Arab states from which they are banned.


http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/pdf/biglies.pdf

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...el-still-seeking-peace-31.html#post1057864378


You're twisting my argument so let me correct you. Israel has every right to respond to the attacks of Hamas if their response will realistically lead to a resolution of the conflict. Vengeance is a trait shared by dictators and terrorists, not First World powers.

The examples you have listed fit perfectly with my point. Those responses lead to an end to the war and a peaceful resolution which has lasted more than 50 years.

I am not trying to twist it, I am trying to understand it... :2razz:

So... you would have no problem with Israel invading any hostile nations or areas that attack them and annihilating the threat then?
 
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Please stick to main Idea, Arab are'nt in war with Israel right now, we are talking about Hamas and Israel, dont get confused, and dont Involve Arabs into this .


Arabs might not be involved now, but they are very involved with this issue.
Don't get confused please, and this is very much a part of the main idea.
Also, this is the second time that you have chosen to ignore my posted evidence, and I guess this will be the time that I have to simply not take you or your finger pointing and whining seriously. The very heart of the issue lies in the past, not in the present.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

I said colonialism and subjugation by foreign powers, I should have been more specific. The point was that there was a sense of Arab unity in the early to mid 1900s that took the conflict in Palestine as more than a territorial conflict. The end of WWI to the end of WWII seems a small time frame but we both know how rapidly political situations were changing in the 1900s. 30 years was practically an Arab generation, a generation which saw a colonial proxy ruling over their land. In this context it is not difficult to see why the surrounding Arab nations empathized with the Palestinians. This is what I meant about the conflict not being about territory. In a nutshell, its about territory to the Palestinians and its about a form of Western colonialism to the neighboring Arab nations.



Not exactly sure what you meant with this. Hopefully my clarification and explanation above satisfies it.

Yeah... initially you said it was not about territory, and now you are seemingly saying that it is, to which I agree. It is all good. :2razz:

At this point, I have no idea what your point is though, each time I challenge one of your assertions, you modify or clarify it so that now, I am unclear as to your position. What is your argument? That it is up to Israel to find peace and not react to attacks unless that response is war ending? :confused:
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

partition : My ass ..

Isn't homosexuality forbidden in Islam?
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

That is not fair. I already addressed this and you summarily dismissed it:

After their victory, Israel passed a law that allowed Arab refugees
to re-settle in Israel provided they would sign a form in which they renounced violence, swore allegiance to the state of Israel, and became peaceful productive citizens
. During the decades of this law’s tenure, more than 150,000 Arab refugees have taken advantage of it to resume productive lives in Israel. Jews do not have a similar option to become citizens of Arab states from which they are banned.


http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/pdf/biglies.pdf

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...el-still-seeking-peace-31.html#post1057864378

Do you have anything besides the opinion of David Meir-Levi. I was unaware of this law and would like to do a little more research on it.


I am not trying to twist it, I am trying to understand it... :2razz:

So... you would have no problem with Israel invading any hostile nations or areas that attack them and annihilating the threat then?

I would not if they were willing to do what is necessary to get Palestine on its way to statehood. "Annihilating the threat" is more than destroying Hamas and leaving. The threat is not just Hamas, but the inherent instability and lack of law in Gaza.
 
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Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Wonder why ? like I said before : Israel got Armors, Tanks, and High-tech weapons, they got nothing to fear from .
so that justifies Hamas slaughtering and targeting civilians
that speaks volumes about you, and muslims in general
pretty ****ing sad
 
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