Are you saying that there are no passages containing violence in the OT that are not from God? I seem to remember quite a few from him, and/or some prophets.
And this is where you senile characteristics are shining through... I asked how and why it was relevant and take that simple question, asked so that there is zero confusion, as a sign of an inability to comprehend? Interesting assessment...
So, do you want to debate that there is/is not condoned violence in the Bible or not?
Psalm 137 was written during the time of great despair and is spoken in revenge for the acts committed against the Jews. God is not condoning revenge. Just like God is not condoning what happened to Job, although Job thought God was doing it to him. It is iin the bible, but it is not what God promotes.
The violence condoned by God is judgment either on Israel for disobeying or for the enemies of Israel. God had a plan. He needed a nation to bring forth the Savior of the world and the nation needed a land. The plan of God will go forth no matter who stands in the way. Mercy overrides judgment. Choose mercy or else judgment awaits.
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a monotheistic system of beliefs and practices based on the Old Testament and the teachings of Jesus as embodied in the New Testament and emphasizing the role of Jesus as savior
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Not sure how much more simple this issue could be? *shrugs*
I act like an arrogant clown most of the time... but I also make valid points.
I think that is the major difference between us.
OK... so who wrote the psalm and if it is a book of holy scripture, then how is it not by extension, the word of God.?
Even then... it is in the Bible nd if this is debatable, the word of god part, then perhaps parts of the Qu'ran that you object to are debatable as well?
Finally, I had a HUGE debate a couple years back and had all this great stuff to slam dunk you with, and I can't find it by searching DP. I am not sure that I am interested in doing it again, at least not today. But let me know if you are interested... still waiting for that answer.
So, this looks like God DID condone violence in order that his plan be fullfilled. No matter who stands in the way, god will win even if he needs to condone/use violence. Not sure how this doesn't completely negate everything that you have been saying and how it doesn't completely make my argument for me, but I am sure you will spin it somehow in order to say that god doesn't condone violence or that violence is not in the bible even though you just said it.
So what is the plan of God in Islam that condones their violence?
a religion based on belief in God and the life and teachings of Jesus Christ, and on the Bible
The Bible contains the Old Testament too. I think that this connects the dots beyond refute. I am sure that you still won't agree though, and that might just be the way that it is. I have debated religious zealots before and as a rule, thye never yield n inch lest it destroy the entire construct of their faith, that is by it's very nature... illogical. Oh well.
Likewise, Islam is spread by the sword, as I have already mentioned.
So, since you don't deny that violence exists in the OT, which was going to be our argument, then we don't have one.
By the same token, what is you point anyway? That Jesus does not teach violence?
Does anybody here even dispute that?
Did you know that many modern Muslims think that most, if not all, readical militant Muslims are twisting the words of the Qu'ran to fit their narow view, to further their agenda and that those who do this are not really Muslims? I know some Muslims like that personally... and they are devote Muslims that follow the Qu'ran and all of it. To say that they are more violent, or that they follow a violent religion is as ridiculous as saying that you are violent. Just something to chew on...