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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    No. Christians do not follow any of the rituals or dietary laws, etc, in the Old Testament. They are dead. Jesus on the cross said "it is finished". Gone, dead, over. Finished.

    Christians live in a new Covenant (Testament). It's like if you have a will and testament and you tear it up and make a new one. The old one is no longer in effect.
    So you admit that the old testaments were agressive.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    Yes, it is violence but it is not condoned. Just because it is written about doesn't mean it is right. Example....Job thought for sure it was God punishing him, but by reading the book we find out it was the devil who killed his family and ruined him and it was God who blessed him afterwards. It is in the bible, but it was not God.

    I don't expect you to see the difference, but hopefully some of this will sink in. Is there an adult there to help you? Is your mommy home?
    Ok, it is relevant, or so you say without providing a translation regarding the quote that I provided. You say that it was not condoned and then you give a different example? How about explaining why the quote that I used is not relevant instead before you start acting like a an arrogant clown thinking that you made some good point. This is just the start of the debate, the one that you wouldn't initially accept, but now you are kinda dancing around in sissy fashion.

    Are you saying that there are no passages containing violence in the OT that are not from God? I seem to remember quite a few from him, and/or some prophets.

    And this is where you senile characteristics are shining through... I asked how and why it was relevant and take that simple question, asked so that there is zero confusion, as a sign of an inability to comprehend? Interesting assessment...

    So, do you want to debate that there is/is not condoned violence in the Bible or not?
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Ok, it is relevant, or so you say without providing a translation regarding the quote that I provided. You say that it was not condoned and then you give a different example? How about explaining why the quote that I used is not relevant instead before you start acting like a an arrogant clown thinking that you made some good point. This is just the start of the debate, the one that you wouldn't initially accept, but now you are kinda dancing around in sissy fashion.

    Are you saying that there are no passages containing violence in the OT that are not from God? I seem to remember quite a few from him, and/or some prophets.

    And this is where you senile characteristics are shining through... I asked how and why it was relevant and take that simple question, asked so that there is zero confusion, as a sign of an inability to comprehend? Interesting assessment...

    So, do you want to debate that there is/is not condoned violence in the Bible or not?
    I thought acting like an arrogant clown was okay? I saw you do it so I thought it was required.

    Psalm 137 was written during the time of great despair and is spoken in revenge for the acts committed against the Jews. God is not condoning revenge. Just like God is not condoning what happened to Job, although Job thought God was doing it to him. It is iin the bible, but it is not what God promotes.

    The violence condoned by God is judgment either on Israel for disobeying or for the enemies of Israel. God had a plan. He needed a nation to bring forth the Savior of the world and the nation needed a land. The plan of God will go forth no matter who stands in the way. Mercy overrides judgment. Choose mercy or else judgment awaits.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    I can't help it if you're dense. The fact is the entire bible is scripture and I believe that. Another fact is that the Old Testament rituals and laws are not in effect. They are dead. Finished. That does not mean that the Old Testament is no longer scripture. It is still the Word of God. Christians live under the New Covenant (Testament).
    Dude, dense? This is like you are a rebelling teenager calling his father stupid for understanding things that the teenager is incapable of understanding due to cognitive development obstacles. I can sense that you are starting to squirm as you attempt to justify your misunderstanding regarding your religion. It is OK. It will all work out. You are still a "Christian" to us.

    christian religion

    noun
    a monotheistic system of beliefs and practices based on the Old Testament and the teachings of Jesus as embodied in the New Testament and emphasizing the role of Jesus as savior


    Christian Religion definition | Dictionary.com

    A Christian is one who embodies a monotheistic system of beliefs and practices based on the Old Testament and the teachings of Jesus as embodied in the New Testament and emphasizing the role of Jesus as savior

    Not sure how much more simple this issue could be? *shrugs*
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    I thought acting like an arrogant clown was okay? I saw you do it so I thought it was required.

    Psalm 137 was written during the time of great despair and is spoken in revenge for the acts committed against the Jews. God is not condoning revenge. Just like God is not condoning what happened to Job, although Job thought God was doing it to him. It is iin the bible, but it is not what God promotes.

    I act like an arrogant clown most of the time... but I also make valid points.
    I think that is the major difference between us.

    OK... so who wrote the psalm and if it is a book of holy scripture, then how is it not by extension, the word of God.?

    Even then... it is in the Bible nd if this is debatable, the word of god part, then perhaps parts of the Qu'ran that you object to are debatable as well?

    Finally, I had a HUGE debate a couple years back and had all this great stuff to slam dunk you with, and I can't find it by searching DP. I am not sure that I am interested in doing it again, at least not today. But let me know if you are interested... still waiting for that answer.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Dude, dense? This is like you are a rebelling teenager calling his father stupid for understanding things that the teenager is incapable of understanding due to cognitive development obstacles. I can sense that you are starting to squirm as you attempt to justify your misunderstanding regarding your religion. It is OK. It will all work out. You are still a "Christian" to us.

    christian religion

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    a monotheistic system of beliefs and practices based on the Old Testament and the teachings of Jesus as embodied in the New Testament and emphasizing the role of Jesus as savior


    Christian Religion definition | Dictionary.com

    A Christian is one who embodies a monotheistic system of beliefs and practices based on the Old Testament and the teachings of Jesus as embodied in the New Testament and emphasizing the role of Jesus as savior

    Not sure how much more simple this issue could be? *shrugs*
    Your link is not correct. Christians do not live under the Old Testament. Christians live under the New Testament. There are many things on the internet. Just because you find something on the internet does not mean it is the truth. Kinda like TV. Lots of voices. Jesus said the old was finished. I'll take his word for it.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    The violence condoned by God is judgment either on Israel for disobeying or for the enemies of Israel. God had a plan. He needed a nation to bring forth the Savior of the world and the nation needed a land. The plan of God will go forth no matter who stands in the way. Mercy overrides judgment. Choose mercy or else judgment awaits.
    Not sure if you just edited this in, but it did not show up when I hit the quote button on the previous post.

    So, this looks like God DID condone violence in order that his plan be fullfilled. No matter who stands in the way, god will win even if he needs to condone/use violence. Not sure how this doesn't completely negate everything that you have been saying and how it doesn't completely make my argument for me, but I am sure you will spin it somehow in order to say that god doesn't condone violence or that violence is not in the bible even though you just said it.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Not sure if you just edited this in, but it did not show up when I hit the quote button on the previous post.

    So, this looks like God DID condone violence in order that his plan be fullfilled. No matter who stands in the way, god will win even if he needs to condone/use violence. Not sure how this doesn't completely negate everything that you have been saying and how it doesn't completely make my argument for me, but I am sure you will spin it somehow in order to say that god doesn't condone violence or that violence is not in the bible even though you just said it.
    I can see where you would think that. I never denied there was violence in the Old Testament. Islam condones violence if you insult Mohammed. God never condoned violence for insulting Jesus. Islam says not make friends with Christians or Jews. Jesus said to love yoru neighbors.

    So what is the plan of God in Islam that condones their violence?

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    Your link is not correct. Christians do not live under the Old Testament. Christians live under the New Testament. There are many things on the internet. Just because you find something on the internet does not mean it is the truth. Kinda like TV. Lots of voices. Jesus said the old was finished. I'll take his word for it.
    It is a dictionary site... not an opinion site. Cambride Dictionary... will you allow Cambridge?

    Christianity
    noun [U]
    a religion based on belief in God and the life and teachings of Jesus Christ, and on the Bible


    The Bible contains the Old Testament too. I think that this connects the dots beyond refute. I am sure that you still won't agree though, and that might just be the way that it is. I have debated religious zealots before and as a rule, thye never yield n inch lest it destroy the entire construct of their faith, that is by it's very nature... illogical. Oh well.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    I can see where you would think that. I never denied there was violence in the Old Testament. Islam condones violence if you insult Mohammed. God never condoned violence for insulting Jesus. Islam says not make friends with Christians or Jews. Jesus said to love yoru neighbors.

    So what is the plan of God in Islam that condones their violence?
    Look, I have never debated that Jesus taught violence, just that it is in the Bible as a part of Christianity...
    Likewise, Islam is spread by the sword, as I have already mentioned.

    So, since you don't deny that violence exists in the OT, which was going to be our argument, then we don't have one.
    By the same token, what is you point anyway? That Jesus does not teach violence?
    Does anybody here even dispute that?

    Did you know that many modern Muslims think that most, if not all, readical militant Muslims are twisting the words of the Qu'ran to fit their narow view, to further their agenda and that those who do this are not really Muslims? I know some Muslims like that personally... and they are devote Muslims that follow the Qu'ran and all of it. To say that they are more violent, or that they follow a violent religion is as ridiculous as saying that you are violent. Just something to chew on...
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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