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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    Paul was not the founder of "modern Christianity". I don't know what you mean by "modern Christianity". Those who follow Jesus are called Christians. Christians do not follow Paul. Paul wrote a good part of the New Testament but his words were from Jesus. That's what he said.
    Paul, a man who never met Jesus during his life on Earth, has more works in the New Testament that any of Jesus' disciples. And you take his word over the "Word of God" as presented by Jesus?
    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    The Old Testament is a book of history and laws that were put away when Jesus made the new covenant (testament).
    Who decided to put the book away? It most surely wasn't Jesus. The 18 times he refers to the Old Testament as the 'word/commandment of God', he never once mentions to stop adhering to it.
    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    My point is that Christianity does not condone violence to further the cause of Christianity.
    But you only refer to the New Testament as being "Christianity". You're expecting us all to believe that Jesus wanted his followers to follow the teachings of some man he never met (only through some hallucinated daydream), a few works of his Disciples (that forsook him), and the judgment of Constantine I (a man who had his wife and eldest son killed) in the first Council of Nicaea. That's not "Christ-like" one bit.
    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    The "cause" of Islam is the furthering of Islam as a belief. That is why 9/11 happened. The USA is an ally of Israel and there are muslims who do not like that fact because they do not want anything in the middle east but Islam. There are many muslims who will condone the use of violence to further Islam. That is the "cause". There are many muslims who will demand death and beheading for those who insult Islam. The "insult" could be anything derogatory or negative about Islam. I am being accused by some on this site of spreading hate for quoting the Koran. If they had their way I am sure they would do violence to me.
    Where was this "cause" of Islam ever established? Not in the Qur'an. Not in the Sunnah of the Muhammad (hadith).

    You're insulting Islam right now. How many people here have called for your beheading?

    You're insults to Islam mean little compared to your insult on all those who claim to read legibly.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    You are denying that muslims around the world are using violence and murder to further the cause of Islam?
    I totally agree!

    You don't see christian suicide bombers when they feel muslims are on their holy land!

    Christians resort to violence only after turning the other cheek doesn't work and then they strike like a lion!

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by creativedreams View Post
    I totally agree!

    You don't see christian suicide bombers when they feel muslims are on their holy land!

    Christians resort to violence only after turning the other cheek doesn't work and then they strike like a lion!
    Correct. Nothing wrong with self defense. Christians also have a government and laws to keep the people safe. Christian preachers do not have a personal militia to carry out their religious dictates like Islam does. Big difference.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    esus Christ is the founder of Christianity and the New Testament is the instruction book.
    Irrelevant...


    Show me where it is taught by Jesus or any of his disciples to carry out violence to further the cause of Christianity.
    Sorry, you don't get to change the rules mid-debate. We are arguing Christianity versus Islam with regards to violence, not Jesus versus Muhammed.


    I can show you many passages in the Koran where Muhammed (the founder of Islam) did promote violence to further the cause of Islam.
    Wow... so can I.


    That is not debatable at all. Those are the facts.
    At least you recognize SOME facts, that is a start, at least.


    Also, the Old Testament is not part of Christianity.
    Let me illuminate something for you, since you seem completely out of your league on this...

    Christian Bible
    The Christian Bible consists of the Hebrew scriptures, which have been called the Old Testament, and some later writings known as the New Testament.

    Bible - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Old Testament
    The Old Testament is the collection of books written prior to the life of Jesus but accepted by Christians as scripture ... Several Christian denominations also incorporate additional books into their canons of the Old Testament.

    Bible - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Bible
    the sacred scriptures of Judaism and Christianity. The Christian Bible consists of the Old Testament and the New Testament

    Bible -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia


    Christianity began as a Jewish sect. Jesus, his Twelve Apostles, the Elders, his family, and essentially all of his early followers were Jewish or Jewish Proselytes.



    Hopefully, you are NOT Christian, since that would not bode well for how well you learn.


    Saying it is does not make it so.
    You are absolutely correct. Saying it is, does not make it so. It IS so, because it IS SO. Big difference. Saying the sun is cold does not make it correct. Saying the sun is hot, and having another say I am incorrect does not make what THEY say so, either. It is hot because it is hot. The Old Testament is part of the Bible and part of Christianity because the Old Testament is part of the Bible and part of Christianity. It simply is that way.



    Chrisitans follow the teachings of Jesus.
    Not all. The Old Testament is also taught to Christians and it is a part of the Bible and part of Christianity.


    Muslims follow the teachings of Muhammed.
    The follow the Qu'ran...


    Deal with that.
    You're getting boring. Please tell me you're a kid... seriously.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Irrelevant...




    Sorry, you don't get to change the rules mid-debate. We are arguing Christianity versus Islam with regards to violence, not Jesus versus Muhammed.




    Wow... so can I.




    At least you recognize SOME facts, that is a start, at least.




    Let me illuminate something for you, since you seem completely out of your league on this...

    Christian Bible
    The Christian Bible consists of the Hebrew scriptures, which have been called the Old Testament, and some later writings known as the New Testament.

    Bible - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Old Testament
    The Old Testament is the collection of books written prior to the life of Jesus but accepted by Christians as scripture ... Several Christian denominations also incorporate additional books into their canons of the Old Testament.

    Bible - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Bible
    the sacred scriptures of Judaism and Christianity. The Christian Bible consists of the Old Testament and the New Testament

    Bible -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia


    Christianity began as a Jewish sect. Jesus, his Twelve Apostles, the Elders, his family, and essentially all of his early followers were Jewish or Jewish Proselytes.



    Hopefully, you are NOT Christian, since that would not bode well for how well you learn.




    You are absolutely correct. Saying it is, does not make it so. It IS so, because it IS SO. Big difference. Saying the sun is cold does not make it correct. Saying the sun is hot, and having another say I am incorrect does not make what THEY say so, either. It is hot because it is hot. The Old Testament is part of the Bible and part of Christianity because the Old Testament is part of the Bible and part of Christianity. It simply is that way.





    Not all. The Old Testament is also taught to Christians and it is a part of the Bible and part of Christianity.




    The follow the Qu'ran...




    You're getting boring. Please tell me you're a kid... seriously.
    Why don't you debate in complete thoughts instead of taking little snippits to control the debate? Any fool can do that and many do. That is an old tactic of weak debaters on the internet. In an actual debate you cannot do that. You have to actually form a complete thought to answer a complete thought. This is a tactic of weakness. You're weak.

    I agree the entire bible is scripture; however, violence is not condoned by Jesus or the father God to further Christianity. Show me the scripture. Put up or shut up.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    You're insulting Islam right now. How many people here have called for your beheading?

    You're insults to Islam mean little compared to your insult on all those who claim to read legibly.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Paul, a man who never met Jesus during his life on Earth, has more works in the New Testament that any of Jesus' disciples. And you take his word over the "Word of God" as presented by Jesus?

    Who decided to put the book away? It most surely wasn't Jesus. The 18 times he refers to the Old Testament as the 'word/commandment of God', he never once mentions to stop adhering to it.

    But you only refer to the New Testament as being "Christianity". You're expecting us all to believe that Jesus wanted his followers to follow the teachings of some man he never met (only through some hallucinated daydream), a few works of his Disciples (that forsook him), and the judgment of Constantine I (a man who had his wife and eldest son killed) in the first Council of Nicaea. That's not "Christ-like" one bit.


    Where was this "cause" of Islam ever established? Not in the Qur'an. Not in the Sunnah of the Muhammad (hadith).

    You're insulting Islam right now. How many people here have called for your beheading?

    You're insults to Islam mean little compared to your insult on all those who claim to read legibly.
    Paul said every word he wrote was from Jesus. Read the book of Acts.

    If you don't know that there are muslims who demand the beheadings of those who insult Islam then you're very ignorant or a liar or both.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    Why don't you debate in complete thoughts instead of taking little snippits to control the debate? Any fool can do that and many do.
    That's right... to control the debate. Not for selfish reasons, It is so that we stay ON POINT. Something that you apparently can not do.

    ...And, They are ALL complete thoughts. Length indicates nothing of validity.

    If you actually look back at my posts, to those that argue in complete thoughts and express themselves well... AND that are intellectual honest and simply intelligent enough to not spin and create tangents, I don't snippet their posts, since they can follow the conversation like an adult. Hence, I snippet it so that you can follow, since you are seem to get lost easily.


    That is an old tactic of weak debaters on the internet.
    Not always. You are narrow minded and see what you want to see.


    In an actual debate you cannot do that.
    Sure as hell can. Actually did that when we were in honors debating and such way back in high school. We won all sorts of competitions. You just suck, that is all.

    Wow, hadn't thought of those days in quite some time... thanks.


    You have to actually form a complete thought to answer a complete thought. This is a tactic of weakness. You're weak.
    A moron would come to that conclusion, most likely. It is hard for me to know what a moron would conclude, so I often read conclusions of people that I consider morons to find out. You are now on that list.


    I agree the entire bible is scripture
    You just conceded. That is all I was looking for. EgoffTib was right and you were wrong. Thanks for playing. Loser.



    Put up or shut up.
    You just concede and then you puff your chest in challenge again!
    I just proved the case... it is OVER.



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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    Paul said every word he got from Jesus. Read the book of Acts.

    If you don't know that there are muslims who demand the beheadings of those who insult Islam then you're very ignorant or a liar or both.
    There are Christians that want to shoot and lynch black people, including our President.
    If you don't know that, then you are ignorant or a liar... well, you ignerant.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That's right... to control the debate. Not for selfish reasons, It is so that we stay ON POINT. Something that you apparently can not do.

    If you actually look back at my posts, to those that argue in complete thoughts and express themselves well... AND that are intellectual honest and simply intelligent enough to not spin and create tangents, I don't snippet their posts, since they can follow the conversation like an adult. Hence, I snippet it so that you can follow, since you are seem to get lost easily.




    Not always. You are narrow minded and see what you want to see.


    In an actual debate you cannot do that.

    Sure as hell can. Actually did that when we were in honors debating and such way back in high school. We won all sorts of competitions. Did that at Georgetown and other MUN debates as well... Won those as well. You just suck, that is all.




    A moron would come to that conclusion, most likely. It is hard for me to know what a moron would conclude, so I often read conclusions of people that I consider morons to find out. You are now on that list.




    They are ALL complete thoughts. Length indicates nothing of validity. You just conceded. That is all I was looking for. EgoffTib was right and you were wrong. Thanks for playing. Loser.





    You just concede and then you puff your chest in challenge again!
    I just proved the case... it is OVER.



    You're hilarious. Debate honors? LOLOL. Give me some scripture from the bible where God the father or Jesus condones violence to further the cause of Christianity. You didn't. You can't. Calling me a loser doesn't mean you won. Giving us some evidence from the bible would make you the winner because that is what the debate is about. Your entire argument is that Christianity is just as violent as Islam. You have not proven your case with any scripture from the bible to counter the verses from the Koran. In the real world that is called "you lose". Spin some more. You're making us all dizzy.

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