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Thread: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for peace ?

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Things are terrible there. The sooner the Palestinians stand up and take control from Hamas and other terrorists, the better off they will be. Hamas doesn't care about Palestinians. They can't win a war with Israel. They know that. They keep the Palestinians down and tell them that they are the only ones who care. This insures that they remain in power.
    HAMAS has been in power since the mid-to-late 80's, while the occupation has been going on since 67'. It wasn't the terrorists who caused this; Israeli action created the negative feelings which spawned these organizations. When the Palestinians had no where else to turn, they accepted the terrorists as their saviors, as the people who were trying to fight back. As liberators. Terrorism is inherently evil, but when you're being swept down stream, you'll grab whatever branch you can reach to pull yourself out of the water. And now, you're right; they're just trying to remain in power. It's developed into more.

    It's a hydra-ish issue for the Palestinians. Their only defenders are mad dogs, and those mad dogs incite even more violence from their antagonists... But even if you kill the dog, the antagonist is still there, and it's presence breeds more dogs.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeMama View Post
    I don't want to come off rude, but after reading a bit of this argument from a rather more objective standpoint, it seems that you folks are arguing for the sake of arguing (which is understandable, for a debating forum, and a great way to hone your skills) not really about Israel defending itself; although the premiss revolves somewhere around that.

    Did i just make sense?..
    I am arguing from the standpoint of Israel being a sovereign nation and having the right to defend itself. Hamas' goal is to remove Israel. It's not different than if a militia from Mexico or Canada rose up against the USA and began firing missiles at us. They would be destroyed and Israel should do the same thing.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Torin View Post
    HAMAS has been in power since the mid-to-late 80's, while the occupation has been going on since 67'. It wasn't the terrorists who caused this; Israeli action created the negative feelings which spawned these organizations. When the Palestinians had no where else to turn, they accepted the terrorists as their saviors, as the people who were trying to fight back. As liberators. Terrorism is inherently evil, but when you're being swept down stream, you'll grab whatever branch you can reach to pull yourself out of the water. And now, you're right; they're just trying to remain in power. It's developed into more.

    It's a hydra-ish issue for the Palestinians. Their only defenders are mad dogs, and those mad dogs incite even more violence from their antagonists... But even if you kill the dog, the antagonist is still there, and it's presence breeds more dogs.
    What created the negative feelings was the creation of the nation of Israel, not the fact that Israel has defended itself.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by walleye View Post
    I am arguing from the standpoint of Israel being a sovereign nation and having the right to defend itself. Hamas' goal is to remove Israel. It's not different than if a militia from Mexico or Canada rose up against the USA and began firing missiles at us. They would be destroyed and Israel should do the same thing.
    Ok, i guess i didn't make sense then

    My point was that you folks were not really arguing a specific point (until now).
    I felt you folks were just arguing to argue.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You're right. I know what the term means. But since you've already misrepresented the term genocide, incorrectly assigning it to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (and which you now seem to have backed off from, appropriately), I want to know what you mean by the term before I commit to debating you on the issue.
    I didn't back off from the term genocide. It IS a genocide. Israelis are literally killing Palestinians in the streets. There aren't giant ovens, but Israel isn't going to stop until that land is indisputably theirs... And that entails the destruction of the natives.

    Oh, and suggesting that you are correct because most of the world agrees with you is the Argumentum ad populum (argument or appeal to the public) logical fallacy. Just because the majority believes something, doesn't make it correct.
    And I've taken a logic class or two as well. I know that "bandwagon" isn't a valid argument... But it means something that America is the only country in the World who thinks what Israel is in the right, doesn't it? Maybe I'm wrong, though... American's are well known to be the most well-informed people in the World.

    We were talking about Palestine, no? We weren't talking about "in general", so I figured you'd understand the context. Next time I'll spell it out more succinctly.
    A flat statement like, "Firstly, genocide doesn't exist," sounds like you're saying... Genocide doesn't exist. It certainly doesn't read like, "Firstly, there is no genocide in the occupied territories." And you know it doesn't. This is a non-issue anyway. I'm done with it.

    This is the flaw in your argument, Israel is picking on no one. They are defending themselves against terror attacks. If you don't believe me, you need to do the research. And if you are going to sit there and blame the Israelis, for the current drama, answer this question -- why did the occupation start to begin with? This has little to nothing to do with land. It has to do with defense.
    Fair question. The occupation started when the Israelis won the 6 Day War. Now you answer mine.

    And as far as your question goes, I have dodged nothing. I have been busy responding to other things and reminding you to stop with your uncivil tone. When you accomplish that, I will be happy to answer your question...but be prepared to, also, answer your own question.
    I answered yours. Go for it.

    Firstly, I've done plenty of background research and understand the situation very well. You don't agree with my position. That's what's going on here. I can say the same thing...that your position is based on not understanding the situation. When you do that, it is an ad hom personal attack...just like the first sentence of the paragraph I am currently responding to. It is not my fault if you are unable to control your nasty, jerky behavior. See? That is what you do. And you need to stop. NOW. All you need to do at this point is say, "yes I will stop", or "no I won't". If it is the former, we can continue to debate civilly. If it is the later, you will get what you give. You started things, but I guarentee you that I will finish them. So knock off the abrasive, uncivil behavior now, which you initiated, and debate appropriately. I do not think I can make myself more clear.

    Consider this. Others are noticing your abrasive tone. You have started off on a real bad foot, here immediately. Try starting over. Drop the attitude and just debate. You express yourself fine without the nastiness, so drop it.
    That other people decide I'm being abrasive when a mod does doesn't surprise me. I expect it. You've given as much attitude as you've received. You've been condescending and rude, and I'll admit, I've been so too. If you're willing to dispense with the attitude, I am too -- but if you continue to behave as we both have thus far, you can't really expect me to just 'suck it up.'

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Torin View Post
    If you're willing to dispense with the attitude, I am too -- but if you continue to behave as we both have thus far, you can't really expect me to just 'suck it up.'
    I'm being quite frank when I say that that was a very childish statement.
    that you're not going to drop the attitude till he does.

    And I can expect you to suck it up. You should not take offense when a person you don't even know, on a forum, gives you attitude.
    If he is giving you attitude that isn't your problem, it is his/hers, because he/she needs help.

    The world is harsh out there (and I'm being pretty harsh here), but if you can't handle a forum, how do you cope with life?
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeMama View Post
    I'm being quite frank when I say that that was a very childish statement.
    that you're not going to drop the attitude till he does.

    And I can expect you to suck it up. You should not take offense when a person you don't even know, on a forum, gives you attitude.
    If he is giving you attitude that isn't your problem, it is his/hers, because he/she needs help.

    The world is harsh out there (and I'm being pretty harsh here), but if you can't handle a forum, how do you cope with life?
    It's childish to say, "if you hit me with a stick, I'm likely going to hit you back?" No. I don't tolerate all the attitude any better than Courtesy does.

    And if you think I should suck it up, should he not do the same? I've offered a viable solution to hostilities, and what's more, offered the guy compliments. I've given the olive branch as I'm capable of doing. And just so you know... You're insulting him with this comment. He's the one pushing the issue, not me, remember?

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Torin View Post
    HAMAS has been in power since the mid-to-late 80's, while the occupation has been going on since 67'. It wasn't the terrorists who caused this; Israeli action created the negative feelings which spawned these organizations. When the Palestinians had no where else to turn, they accepted the terrorists as their saviors, as the people who were trying to fight back. As liberators. Terrorism is inherently evil, but when you're being swept down stream, you'll grab whatever branch you can reach to pull yourself out of the water. And now, you're right; they're just trying to remain in power. It's developed into more.

    It's a hydra-ish issue for the Palestinians. Their only defenders are mad dogs, and those mad dogs incite even more violence from their antagonists... But even if you kill the dog, the antagonist is still there, and it's presence breeds more dogs.
    Why doesn't Hamas lob rockets into Jordan and Egypt. Their "brothers" turned their backs on them.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Torin View Post
    It's childish to say, "if you hit me with a stick, I'm likely going to hit you back?"
    yes it is (but that's not a good example because that could be misconstrued to mean that its self defense)
    If someone is 'mean' you don't act 'mean' back

    Quote Originally Posted by Torin View Post
    And if you think I should suck it up, should he not do the same?
    Yes he should too, but that is my point, just because someone else is doing something wrong, it doesnt mean it's right for you to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Torin View Post
    You're insulting him with this comment. He's the one pushing the issue, not me, remember?
    I'm not trying insulting anyone. And if someone is insulted, forgive me, but the whole point of my posting this is to shed some light on a bit of immaturity around here.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Torin View Post
    Ah. Good job. And I don't really care that you want to comment... I just find you endlessly pathetic for playing the role of cheerleader rather than actually making or refuting any points yourself. Don't relent with those 'attaboys' if that's all you got, though; every forum needs its 'Me-too's.'
    Wonderful, so you’ll just spare us the sanctimonious complaints that someone noticed the same issues with your comments and post as another poster, next time. Carry on.


    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    I do not know why I seem to have short term memory loss. I always seem to forget that you never want to debate, you just wish to hop up on your noble steed and lambaste my personal character. Have fun.
    Oh don’t worry there is no mystery why you have to trot out the same clichés and lazy arsed feints every time you get challenged on your hackery. Ya know the strawman/strawman gambit, the puerile rationalizations sprinkled amongst all the trolling, your penchant for clinging to and trying to polish turds, etc etc. Sorry Junior, there aint no mystery as to what exactly your affliction is. But if you want to blame on it a loss of short term cognitive recall have at it, this would at last be one label application by you that I agree with.


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