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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Israel broke the cease fire.
    I am surprised CNN reported it.
    YouTube - CNN Confirms Israel Broke Ceasefire First
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Torin View Post
    If you don't consider it genocide, or if you're incapable of using the word genocide, then conceed to mass killings in the occcupied territories, then you don't know what's occuring over there. End of story.
    It is not genocide, not as defined. Not in the least. Define "mass killings" and then I will tell you if that is happening or not. I suspect not, but it depends on your definition.


    You know that I quoted you word for word, right? I don't think it is really possible to misinterpret, "firstly, genocide doesn't exist," because that sentence in any possible context still means the same thing.
    Like I said, you misinterpreted. In the context of the Israeli-Palestinian situation, genocide doesn't exist. See? You said "any possible context" and I just proved you wrong. You misinterpreted. It happens.


    Actually, that last sentence there proves you're the one who doesn't understand the situation -- you don't even consider the reasons of the conflict relevant. And you're saying an entire people is illogical? How likely is that? They're just people. It, again, sounds like you've got no idea what you're talking about. You don't, to go back to the earlier metaphore, poke a bear without provication. These people were provoked.
    No, to be specific, I said it really doesn't matter. The Partition is in place. Israel exists and is not going anywhere. Complaining about Israel's formation is meaningless in the context of solutions, simply because it is not going to change. You are making the same error the Palestinians are making, and have made. You are assigning blame, rather than looking for solutions.

    And in the metaphor, Israel is the bear, and the Palestinians are doing the poking.


    You started it, actually. Though, I have a feeling you skipped over the part of my last post where I actually pointed that out. And I suppose I'll send a PM or two out, and see if the other mods agree with you. Who knows? Maybe this place is insular enough for them to defend you. I'm new enough here to be unsure. In any case, I'm happy to stop insults if you are -- warning aside.
    Here is where you started it:

    Quote Originally Posted by Torin View Post
    Wait, wait... 36(ish) years of Occupation and genocide aren't cause (I'm guessing that's what you mean by initial retaliation...) enough to retaliate? Before you make these kinds of statements, it might do you well to actually know about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
    Prior to this, I had never interacted with you. You are wrong, and have now been proven wrong. You may now apologize.

    And doesn't this situation mirror the Israeli-Palestinian one? Here, you started the hostilities and erroneously accused me of doing so. Further, you started hostilities with someone who has far more power (as a mod) than you do. Then of course, you were the first to complain about the "battle". In the scheme of things, this seemed like a poor choice, looking at it conceptually, and as the initiator, you made the error. Obviously, in this analogy, you are Palestine, and I am Israel.

    Cool metaphor. Thanks for participating.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Creoilis View Post
    I was going to make a quick note to the order of the definition of genocide. Torin defined the term and in relation to his definition he is correct mostly. The term was coined in the fifties and though there exists an official definition, posited by the UN, it is hardly satisfactory. For one, it excludes the possibility for discrimination against political alignment... The point of all of this is that definitions are flexible, not concrete, and Torin did provide a definition for the term that is acceptable within the context of the discussion. I don't see any reason to attack him for that...he didn't call an apple a goat or anything.
    Sorry, but you can't make up or cherrypick a definition to fit your needs. A definition is a definition. Genocide does not fit what is occurring.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Torin View Post
    Uh, no. I've made comments that were specifically in regard to others which I've specified. Maybe you can point out an assumption I've made about one of the other posters which wasn't related to a comment that person made?Otherwise your post is a little unsubstaniated.

    Or did you mean something else?
    You do understand that some of your comments were adhoms which are weak debate tactics. That is what he meant. If you'd like, I can point them all out to you.
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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Torin, if you are going to insist on trying to spin us round round baby right round, you will fail. Besides if we want spin, quality spinning, your opponent is the superior mix master by far.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed Shaheen View Post








    About 300 killed and 700 injured in 2 Israelian raid on Gaza yesterday..
    Targeting Mosques, Police stations, The only oil station, and the only Aid's Store (which was given to them 3 day before).
    Isreal said that it was a respond to Hamas for firing rockets on Israel, Which had killed only an Israeli woman.
    So its like 1 Israeli women = 1000 killed and injured.
    The strikes came after one day only from the return of Egypt's Foreign Minister From there in a visit to calm down the conflict between the two parties, which affected badly on Egypt.

    Arabs Now are calling the Egyptian Government and Officials to open the barrier between Gaza and Egypt otherwise they are Involved in this bloody action.

    Now a new Arab-Egyptian arguments will start, all because that raid.

    Is Israel seeking for peace ?
    OMG! Yet another liberal terror-apologist smearing Israel for fighting back!

    Yes, as always, they want peace, and as always, Muslims savagely murder their people without provocation.
    Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner (paraphrasing James Bovard).

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    It is not genocide, not as defined. Not in the least. Define "mass killings" and then I will tell you if that is happening or not. I suspect not, but it depends on your definition.
    You know what term means. Whether you choose to believe it's happening or not doesn't really change what's going on. Whatever sources you have are wrong -- outside of America, most of the world agrees with me. Israel is seen as an aggressor. I'll post some sources soon just to finish with this nonsense.
    Like I said, you misinterpreted. In the context of the Israeli-Palestinian situation, genocide doesn't exist. See? You said "any possible context" and I just proved you wrong. You misinterpreted. It happens.
    Uh, what? Had you added the term, "In Palestine," that'd make sense. But hey, you're allowed to backpeddle on whatever points you'd like.

    No, to be specific, I said it really doesn't matter. The Partition is in place. Israel exists and is not going anywhere. Complaining about Israel's formation is meaningless in the context of solutions, simply because it is not going to change. You are making the same error the Palestinians are making, and have made. You are assigning blame, rather than looking for solutions.

    And in the metaphor, Israel is the bear, and the Palestinians are doing the poking.
    I don't care that Israel exists. It's whatever. What bothers me is that they choose to use their might to pick on their neighbor because they feel entitled to more land. That is what's going on. If you don't believe me, you need to do the research. And if you're going to sit there and blame Palestinians for the current drama, answer this question -- why did the occupation start to begin with? Or better yet, answer the question you've dodged twice now -- What were both sides root causes for participating in this conflict? The fact you won't respond to that question says to me that you don't know the answer.

    As to your whining regarding my initial comment... Really? You're in a debate forum and your skin is that thin? I didn't even intend that as anything other than advise. I really think you should go and do more background research. I'm not joking.

    And Sir Lion - When you debate with a mod, I guess you should expect a little fanboy-ism, but just so you know, he doesn't really need your support. He's a fine debater, even if he is a little factually mistaken.

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Torin View Post
    And Sir Lion - When you debate with a mod, I guess you should expect a little fanboy-ism, but just so you know, he doesn't really need your support. He's a fine debater, even if he is a little factually mistaken.
    You are right, he is a fine debater as has been proven by your "debate" with him here. But as he has been so busy of late and has not been able to actually debate much I am wondering......how would you know his rich and schooled debate history? You referring to some his debates you saw in the past, when you were posting in here from England not Australia?

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Loin View Post
    You are right, he is a fine debater as has been proven by your "debate" with him here. But as he has been so busy of late and has not been able to actually debate much I am wondering......how would you know his rich and schooled debate history? You referring to some his debates you saw in the past, when you were posting in here from England not Australia?
    I don't know his history. I only have my conversation with him to reference, here.

    And what are you talking about? Are you just trolling or something?

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    Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

    Quote Originally Posted by Torin View Post
    I don't know his history. I only have my conversation with him to reference, here.

    And what are you talking about? Are you just trolling or something?
    I actually mistook you for another poster. My bad. However the Spock stuff is an old joke with the Captain, one you might as well get used to now. Likewise you should get used to comments, support, attaboys and commentary of a great variety here on this public forum. Or complain about the same if you think it a worth while endeavor. Fine by me.
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