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    Re: Is this smart or stupid?

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonslayer View Post
    Hahahahaha How can anyone take this seriously and even reply to it. It is fun though.
    Wow.. Ive seen you in 3 posts today and in all those posts you are trolling the thread. Nice to see that you don't break with tradition and actually have some intelligent input instead.
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    Re: Is this smart or stupid?

    I remember reading a children's book to my nephew once. It was about a Chinese emperor who is getting old (fictional story).

    The emperor was looking for an heir, and told the people that the first person who can solve his riddle will become the next emperor. The riddle was simple. There was a log with a tiny hole thru the center of it. The objective is to figure out a way to pull a string of thread thru it, without breaking the log. A thread and needle wouldn't work because the needle would be too short, and the hole is kind of twisted and curved (it isn't just straight thru the center). The task itself was pretty stupid. I mean, why would anyone need or want to thread a log? It's useless and worthless, right?

    Well, what ended up happening was that a young man tied the piece of thread around an ant, and put some honey at one end of the log and lured the ant from the other end. Ta-da! It was pretty clever. But the task itself remains pretty idiotic. Though the demonstration of problem solving resulted in the young man becoming the future emperor. So is this young man stupid or smart? I'm inclined to say smart.
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    Re: Is this smart or stupid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    I remember reading a children's book to my nephew once. It was about a Chinese emperor who is getting old (fictional story).

    The emperor was looking for an heir, and told the people that the first person who can solve his riddle will become the next emperor. The riddle was simple. There was a log with a tiny hole thru the center of it. The objective is to figure out a way to pull a string of thread thru it, without breaking the log. A thread and needle wouldn't work because the needle would be too short, and the hole is kind of twisted and curved (it isn't just straight thru the center). The task itself was pretty stupid. I mean, why would anyone need or want to thread a log? It's useless and worthless, right?

    Well, what ended up happening was that a young man tied the piece of thread around an ant, and put some honey at one end of the log and lured the ant from the other end. Ta-da! It was pretty clever. But the task itself remains pretty idiotic. Though the demonstration of problem solving resulted in the young man becoming the future emperor. So is this young man stupid or smart? I'm inclined to say smart.
    He proly learned how to tie strings around ants so they couldn't run away while he used a piece of glass to burn them with sunlight

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    Re: Is this smart or stupid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    He proly learned how to tie strings around ants so they couldn't run away while he used a piece of glass to burn them with sunlight
    Ahh, another great example. Burning of the ants is a pretty stupid thing to do, but burning them from diverted sunlight is pretty clever. Again, I'd say smart man!
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    Re: Is this smart or stupid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Ahh, another great example. Burning of the ants is a pretty stupid thing to do, but burning them from diverted sunlight is pretty clever. Again, I'd say smart man!
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    Re: Is this smart or stupid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    I remember reading a children's book to my nephew once. It was about a Chinese emperor who is getting old (fictional story).

    The emperor was looking for an heir, and told the people that the first person who can solve his riddle will become the next emperor. The riddle was simple. There was a log with a tiny hole thru the center of it. The objective is to figure out a way to pull a string of thread thru it, without breaking the log. A thread and needle wouldn't work because the needle would be too short, and the hole is kind of twisted and curved (it isn't just straight thru the center). The task itself was pretty stupid. I mean, why would anyone need or want to thread a log? It's useless and worthless, right?

    Well, what ended up happening was that a young man tied the piece of thread around an ant, and put some honey at one end of the log and lured the ant from the other end. Ta-da! It was pretty clever. But the task itself remains pretty idiotic. Though the demonstration of problem solving resulted in the young man becoming the future emperor. So is this young man stupid or smart? I'm inclined to say smart.
    But the end result was smart, so of course it was smart.
    What if the guy had done it because he was given a choice by the current emperor, "if you cannot do it your best friend will rot in jail until the day he dies, if you find a solution then you can go to jail for 20 years instead".. Then the end result would be negative for him but the solution smart, would he then be dumb for doing a smart thing to end up in jail(which would be stupid)..?

    But interesting view unlike some people in this thread who is just making unintelligent comments(and trolling). Thanks!
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    Re: Is this smart or stupid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    But the end result was smart, so of course it was smart.
    What if the guy had done it because he was given a choice by the current emperor, "if you cannot do it your best friend will rot in jail until the day he dies, if you find a solution then you can go to jail for 20 years instead".. Then the end result would be negative for him but the solution smart, would he then be dumb for doing a smart thing to end up in jail(which would be stupid)..?

    But interesting view unlike some people in this thread who is just making unintelligent comments(and trolling). Thanks!
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    Re: Is this smart or stupid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Personally I am smart enough to avoid situation where I need to outrun bullets or kill someone to avoid being killed. But thats just me I guess(I can preemptive your next strike here), only me and no other humans.
    so you don't consider self-defense to be a valid excuse for killing someone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Now finally you quote me on something I actually said. And yes I think the creation of a device that can kill our entire species is pretty dumb. Did I mention that it has a countdown timer? No one actually knows when it will go off, but eventually and most likely it will. But thats a whole other debate. Lets celebrate the 60th anniversary of the nuclear bomb at least, and then think back to all the good times we had with blades and gunpowder in various forms.
    please refer to my signature.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Yep, it would be pretty dumb to exterminate ourselves.
    so you are saying that weapons are dumb. why did you deny it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    The title implies yo have to read the first post to be able to answer is THIS smart or stupid. You cant know what this refers to without reading the first post.
    I read the first post, buddy. I read the entire thread, actually, before I even posted once. I've noticed it is a common practice on discussion boards to accuse someone of not reading the original post when they reply in a way that you don't like or didn't anticipate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Seriously, do it. I challenge you to it. "This" refers to a very philosophical question which is obviously badly described in the first thread judging from all the misunderstandings in the thread.
    "this" refers to a philosophical question, yes, but people's understandings of what is smart and what is dumb are subjective. you may think it is dumb to develop a weapon in a clever manner, but I think it is smart. that is because "smart" and "dumb" are opinion words. you can justify your opinion by saying that bombs kill people, but I can justify mine just as easily by responding that using bombs instead of live troops to end the war in japan was in the allies' best interest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I will try to say ask it in simpler way...
    1. The main question is "Are you smart or stupid if you achieve something that is dumb & stupid with clever & smart methods".
    2. To make this a meaningful question you have to think of the "goal/achievement" as DEFINITELY stupid, to do this you can associate it with an experience or something you find stupid.
    3. You have to imagine a situation where the "final goal/achievement" is DEFINITELY stupid, but where the methods of achieving that goal is DEFINITELY smart and clever.
    4. You have to not think of an actual scenario, but a hypothetical scenario where 1&2&3 are definite factors, but where an "association" is optional to grasp the question asked in 1.
    5. You have to remember that the question doesn't refer to any specific case or actual scenario, but that it refers to a hypothetical and philosophical question.
    6. Then you can go ahead and answer the question.
    I understood the hypothetical nature of your original post. I chose not to respond to it because I prefer to deal in absolutes. I can think of a scenario to support either side of the argument, which is why I was not able to consider the question as purely philosophical, with no associations, and vote in the poll.

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    Re: Is this smart or stupid?

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    so you don't consider self-defense to be a valid excuse for killing someone?
    Sure its valid. But if its smart or not depends on why you have to use self defense killing in the first place. If its because you are in a warzone just to visit something there and have to use self defense to kill people, then its your fault and pretty damn stupid. But on the other hand if you are just out shopping in the US and some robbers rob the store you are in and aim a gun at you to kill you and you happen to have a gun with you and kill them first, then its smart.
    In my opinion, yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    so you are saying that weapons are dumb. why did you deny it?
    Nope, again you are trying to misquote me here. I never said that. But a weapon which can easily exterminate all life on the planet we live on is dumb, just like shooting yourself in the foot is dumb, or putting a gun down the pants and blowing off your own balls and prick is dumb.

    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    I read the first post, buddy. I read the entire thread, actually, before I even posted once. I've noticed it is a common practice on discussion boards to accuse someone of not reading the original post when they reply in a way that you don't like or didn't anticipate.

    "this" refers to a philosophical question, yes, but people's understandings of what is smart and what is dumb are subjective. you may think it is dumb to develop a weapon in a clever manner, but I think it is smart. that is because "smart" and "dumb" are opinion words. you can justify your opinion by saying that bombs kill people, but I can justify mine just as easily by responding that using bombs instead of live troops to end the war in japan was in the allies' best interest.
    I wasnt referring to any actual scenarios in my thread. but since there was so many misunderstandings I was trying to associate dumb and smart with something in a few posts.. That in itself was a dumb mistake, since you and me are now using time debating completely irrelevant and annoying stuff.


    Quote Originally Posted by emdash View Post
    I understood the hypothetical nature of your original post. I chose not to respond to it because I prefer to deal in absolutes. I can think of a scenario to support either side of the argument, which is why I was not able to consider the question as purely philosophical, with no associations, and vote in the poll.
    Thank you for that information, couldn't you just have said that in the first place? Now we don't need to talk to each other more for awhile.


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    Re: Is this smart or stupid?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You and your personal attacks....hey, you want to troll, I can troll with the best of them and not get in trouble, let's dance
    Ohh, did you take that as a personal attack and a reference to yourself?


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