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  • I support Oftencold's Rec. Drug Legalization Proposal

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  • I do not support Oftencold's Rec. Drug Legalization Proposal

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  • Oftencold's Rec. Drug Legalization Proposal is too harsh

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  • Oftencold's Rec. Drug Legalization Proposal in to lenient

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Thread: A Proposal for Legalizing all Recreational Drugs

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    Re: A Proposal for Legalizing all Recreational Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    What is it exactly that you propose to tax from severe drug abusers to pay for what is probably the futile exercise of "rehabilitating" them.
    You don't have to collect taxes from the severe drug abusers to pay for their own rehab-- at least, not when they have already become severe abusers. I recommend taxing the drugs themselves, so that everyone who uses them helps pay for the rehab of people who abuse them, and heavy users pay the most for their own eventual rehab.

    It's one of the only forms of sales tax I endorse. And it helps fulfill the government's legitimate role in discouraging people from harmful behavior.

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    Re: A Proposal for Legalizing all Recreational Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    You don't have to collect taxes from the severe drug abusers to pay for their own rehab-- at least, not when they have already become severe abusers. I recommend taxing the drugs themselves, so that everyone who uses them helps pay for the rehab of people who abuse them, and heavy users pay the most for their own eventual rehab.

    It's one of the only forms of sales tax I endorse. And it helps fulfill the government's legitimate role in discouraging people from harmful behavior.
    Government would then have a vested interest in promoting drug use for the revenue. This is the case with tobacco. A sudden cessation of tobacco use would be devastating to government coffers.

    By the way, death from tobacco saves the government a great deal of money, since long term geriatric care is more expensive than most acute care for the terminally ill at an earlier age.

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    Re: A Proposal for Legalizing all Recreational Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Government would then have a vested interest in promoting drug use for the revenue. This is the case with tobacco. A sudden cessation of tobacco use would be devastating to government coffers.
    Hence the reason that such funds should only be used for rehab-- if fewer people are using drugs, fewer people require rehab and less budget is required. If the money can not be applied in the general fund, the government loses the motivation to undermine its own efforts.

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    Re: A Proposal for Legalizing all Recreational Drugs

    Honestly now, do you trust government to spend the money where and how they say that they will? Do you suppose that taxes on tobacco that were slated to go to cancer research really go there in significant amounts?

    I am very skeptical of such things.

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    Re: A Proposal for Legalizing all Recreational Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Government would then have a vested interest in promoting drug use for the revenue. This is the case with tobacco. A sudden cessation of tobacco use would be devastating to government coffers.

    Do you even know what you are talking about? Excise taxes comprise 3% of the Federal Budget sources, and please note, that is ALL excise taxes. The loss of cigarrette taxes would hardly be noticed, and wouldn't be noticed at all if they were simultaneously repealed will the repeal of tobacco industry subsidies.

    Do you just make stuff up and hope you're right?



    By the way, death from tobacco saves the government a great deal of money, since long term geriatric care is more expensive than most acute care for the terminally ill at an earlier age.
    This is irrelevant to the discussion.

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    Re: A Proposal for Legalizing all Recreational Drugs

    I don't use drugs, other than my blood preasure meds, but I would support legalizing marijuana. I am not sure the other drugs need to be legalized. We are spending billions a year on people in prison for drug things.

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    Re: A Proposal for Legalizing all Recreational Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Do you even know what you are talking about? Excise taxes comprise 3% of the Federal Budget sources, and please note, that is ALL excise taxes. The loss of cigarrette taxes would hardly be noticed, and wouldn't be noticed at all if they were simultaneously repealed will the repeal of tobacco industry subsidies.


    Do you just make stuff up and hope you're right?


    No , I don't have to make things up, I have an internal data base slightly more massive than Jupiter. It is known to slightly warp space around it, and may account for the halo effect that some observers have commented upon after being in my presence as light is subtly shifted by the gravitation field of all that information.

    There has been some concern expressed that if I continue to amass knowledge at the current rate, spontaneous fusion might occur in a few decades.

    The tobacco tax is obviously vastly important top the Federal Government, as all taxes are. (It is an effect similar to that attributed to dragons in fiction, who are said to know if a single coin is misplaced in their gigantic hoards.)

    The cause of the moment is funding SCHIP with increased tobacco tax revenues. Soon it may be seen as an heartless insensitivity to children to not smoke, chew or dip.

    I have a remedial reading assignment for you below, and I stress that I may quiz you later.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    This is irrelevant to the discussion.
    Thus the rhetorical device of presenting it as an aside. You see?
    Last edited by Oftencold; 12-30-08 at 05:13 AM.

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    Re: A Proposal for Legalizing all Recreational Drugs

    I did quite a bit of thinking on this over the years and think this would work better, but it is only an opinion.
    1) Legalization of marijuana, can be sold legally in stores to anyone over 18, but must have a tax stamp similar to tobacco. Any tax evasion laws pertaining to tobacco shall apply to marijuana. Law enforcement can apply O.W.I. laws to those operating under the influence of marijuana or other intoxicants.
    2) Restructuring of drug education in schools focused more on consequences than lecture, consequences shall be deemed as physical, emotional, relationships, and financial.
    3) Hard drugs may be used, to an extent, but in settings that are controlled, let addictive medicine specialists administer the drugs in clinics, and usage shall be legal only in clinical settings, entertainment may be provided, and fees shall be charged at the physician's discretion.
    4) Certain drugs such as Meth, PCP, and Crack shall remain illegal simply because they can permanently alter the user's personality whether they are using or not in a way that is provably dangerous to the public, this could be the standard for determining legality of any drug and it's category of legal use. LSD is a debateable class, and may be determined by individual states.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: A Proposal for Legalizing all Recreational Drugs

    Legalize, regulate, and tax all drugs. Use the tax revenue to fund rehabilitation efforts and improve infrastructure.

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    Re: A Proposal for Legalizing all Recreational Drugs

    Did that really just ask me if I was a drug dealer?

    We'll ride the spiral to the end, and may just go where no ones been.
    Spiral out. Keep going.

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