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  • I support Oftencold's Rec. Drug Legalization Proposal

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  • I do not support Oftencold's Rec. Drug Legalization Proposal

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  • Oftencold's Rec. Drug Legalization Proposal is too harsh

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  • Oftencold's Rec. Drug Legalization Proposal in to lenient

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Thread: A Proposal for Legalizing all Recreational Drugs

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    Re: A Proposal for Legalizing all Recreational Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by creativedreams View Post
    I heard of people who now collect social security because they were on meth and now are manic depressive because of the use. Only 26 years old! How they even qualify for SS is beyond me? But I guess what I am getting at is I can't image what our country would be like if drug use was allowed to spread like the plague.

    Countries like China and Russia would pass us up in no time if drugs became legal.
    My 7 y/o qualifies for SS.

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    Re: A Proposal for Legalizing all Recreational Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    My 7 y/o qualifies for SS.
    Was it self inflicted from breaking the law and smoking meth?

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    Re: A Proposal for Legalizing all Recreational Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by creativedreams View Post
    Was it self inflicted from breaking the law and smoking meth?
    It was from being diagnosed with Autism.

    My point was that age is not the only criteria for getting SS, as you assumed.

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    Re: A Proposal for Legalizing all Recreational Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It was from being diagnosed with Autism.

    My point was that age is not the only criteria for getting SS, as you assumed.
    yeah I had a roommate in college who had minor CP and had been getting SS for years.

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    Re: A Proposal for Legalizing all Recreational Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    It was from being diagnosed with Autism.

    My point was that age is not the only criteria for getting SS, as you assumed.
    I guess I used the age thing because I was a little surprised at how young he was and how it only took a short of time of use for him to end up like that. Plus I am slightly against lawbreakers to end up with "welfare" handouts.

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    Re: A Proposal for Legalizing all Recreational Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Let some other nation do the experimenting for us...There should be many willing or stupid enough to do this.....To the best of my knowledge, there is no proof that we will act as mice ..or sheep ??...and en-mass take drugs with no responsibility or acceptance of the consequences..

    Roger Clemens
    Barry Bonds
    two known examples from thousands..

    I do favor the concept of legalized drugs (taxed and controlled) for those foolish enough to use them...
    Our taxing abilities are so-so..; but I have doubts with the controlling..
    Actually, I want those so inclined to take massive amounts of the stuff and die, thereby ceasing to burden the productive strata of society.

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    Re: A Proposal for Legalizing all Recreational Drugs

    Drugs will never be legal as long as certain intelligence
    agencies get their black budgets from them.
    Take the red pill.

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    Re: A Proposal for Legalizing all Recreational Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    You mean all our neighbors that have, for the most part, the same drug laws as we do?

    That said... I am in favor of the legalization of recreational drugs-- and the legalization of purchasing medicine without prescriptions-- but I would not approve of your legislation. I would prefer the current status quo of the War on Drugs to the reckless policies you have proposed here. All pharmaceuticals should be subject to strict governmental regulations regarding their manufacture and sale, and I believe that a surtax on their purchase would be more than enough to pay for the kind of treatment programs you think should be abolished.

    Besides, if we pay for these programs when drugs are illegal-- and the decision to use drugs still lies entirely with the user-- why should we not do so when they are legal and regulated? Do you also propose that we should deny Medicare benefits to drinkers and smokers, after they have paid for those services with their hard-earned money?

    I do support your #2 and #5 proposals, however. I would support passing those even without legalizing anything else-- though I do believe that #5 is already the law in this country.
    Drugs used for legitimate medicine, I would certainly like to see regulated for purity, etc. I draw a very distinct and wide distinction between drugs used professionally for health and those used to bloster weak egos.

    But I would propose that the government wash its hands entirely of regulating recreational drugs. I see no government interest in policing controlling these substances once they were to be made legal. Anyone with the intelligence of a fruit fly should be aware that the decision to use them is the decision to accept the obvious risks.

    I would abolish medicare if I had my way, and I'd certainly deny alcohol and tobacco related treatments to anyone entering the program in future.

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    Re: A Proposal for Legalizing all Recreational Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Actually, I want those so inclined to take massive amounts of the stuff and die, thereby ceasing to burden the productive strata of society.
    The problem is, our society does not allow people to die when they are useless; it only allows them to die when they have exceeded our capacity to keep them alive. And exempting drug users from welfare and Social Security will not change this, because we simply will not allow them to turn around and die in the streets. We are a First World nation and are rightfully embarrassed at the notion that we might allow such a thing.

    The only way to reduce the expense that drug users impose upon society is to reduce the damage that they do to themselves, their families, and their employers by their habits. Everything else leads to additional tax monies and reduced productivity for little to no benefit, aside from the warm feelings one gets from saying "I did something about the drug problem!"

    Warm feelings are no basis for sound policy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Drugs used for legitimate medicine, I would certainly like to see regulated for purity, etc. I draw a very distinct and wide distinction between drugs used professionally for health and those used to bolster weak egos.
    As do I, but I do not think this distinction applies to whether or not those drugs must be regulated. People do not die from drug abuse nearly as often as they are psychologically, intellectually, or physically crippled by it-- and cripples are a drag upon society no matter how their impairments occurred, whether they are taxpayer-supported or not. It is merely a difference of where and how efficiently that burden is carried.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    But I would propose that the government wash its hands entirely of regulating recreational drugs. I see no government interest in policing controlling these substances once they were to be made legal. Anyone with the intelligence of a fruit fly should be aware that the decision to use them is the decision to accept the obvious risks.
    There are obvious risks to any intoxicant, certainly. But possibilities of negligent or malicious adulteration is not an obvious risk, nor one controllable by consumers, and it greatly magnifies the harm that drug abuse inflicts upon society. The government has a legitimate role in ensuring that our whiskey and gin do not contain lead or wood alcohol; they would have a similar role in ensuring the purity of our cannabis or cocaine if they were legal.

    A person with a moderate cocaine habit can still be a productive citizen. A person who snorts a rail of powdered drain cleaner, even once, is much less capable.
    Last edited by Korimyr the Rat; 12-28-08 at 11:06 PM.

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    Re: A Proposal for Legalizing all Recreational Drugs

    Quote Originally Posted by cheat3 View Post
    Also I am going to assume thes drug laws include alcahol?
    By your spelling, I think I might know why this is relevant to you.

    It would be my personal preference to do so. However, alcohol use is deeply embedded in our society and culture. I leave it to others to decide if it should be included.

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