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I can't speak for whatever version you have in you have in your hand, but every version I'm seeing on google has the word night in it
Fair enough.. Different bibles varies slightly.
What makes you think that it is pure speculation? There is ample historical record of society during those times, and shepherds were not an insignificant portion of that society. Do you have any evidence whatsoever that would indicate anything contrary to what I said, or are you just trying to dismiss my evidence by calling it speculation?
It is speculation, you have ABSOLUTELY no proof of your claims that shepherds ONLY took their flock out at night during springtime. Lets just say for the sake of it that the bible actually says it was at nighttime, that doesn't prove anything, and even if they ONLY did it at nighttime IN the spring with no exceptions, which I doubt and you still havet proven and cant because it wouldn't even guarantee that what they thought of as "spring" in Israel at that time was not in December or January. There are so many factors that make your claim PURE speculation that it certainly in no way is a fact, and even though if all pieces of what you said were true, it still wouldn't be proof that Jesus was born in what we in the Northern hemisphere in Europe and north America think of as spring. The roman year, months and seasons were quite different from our version that we have now. Spring came much earlier for example and they had fewer months. Aside from ALL these factors, the hebrew calendar at the time was also different than our calendar is today, and the hebrew calendar still is different, although not as widely practiced anymore. So yes, your CLAIM is PURE SPECULATION.
I take offense to that accusation and would like you to support it. What did I leave out? What did I misquote?
I don't want to get into this, just read the last few postings between us more thoroughly, and please also read my post more thoroughly in the future and please post all relevant stuff and don't cherry pick your quoting of MY posts to your misuse just for the sake of debate.
Did you know I can predict the future btw? I have evidence of that..
As I've said before (I'm getting tired of writing that), Christ's birth is celebrated on the 25th, but that is not when it occurred. That date was chosen centuries after the fact, and correlates with pagan celebrations just as the other non-religious rituals of the holiday. I'll ask one more time. Do you have any evidence to support a date of the 25th? 'That's when Christmas is' is not evidence.
My bad, I had a dim memory of you actually saying that in a previous post.
I don't have any evidence. No one has any evidence for a certain(or very likely) date of the birth of Jesus Christ, what do you expect, it was after all thousands of years ago, we don't even know the actual year.