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    Re: Non Christians Celebrating Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Any proof of that? Besides, the Christian religion is an evolution from the Jewish faith, so the religious tradition we draw on goes back far before the arrival of Christ.
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    Re: Non Christians Celebrating Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    What Jewish holiday falls on December 25?
    Geez.; Did he ever say that? You are just distorting things as much as you can to make it fit you desire for Christmas to be a pagan celebration. IT JUST ISNT! Ok? Its not called Paganmas or Venusmas or Marsmas or anything like that is it? Its called CHRISTmas.
    25th of December is not a Jewish holiday, but a Christian holiday. Get it?
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    Re: Non Christians Celebrating Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    "Christianity" is "Judaism" plus "Jesus" minus "old laws" minus "most of old testament" plus "lots of new stuff"
    Sure. I didn't say Christianity WAS Judaism, just that it evolved FROM Judaism.
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    Re: Non Christians Celebrating Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Sure. I didn't say Christianity WAS Judaism, just that it evolved FROM Judaism.
    Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you did. I just wanted to specify for other members of this thread so they don't misunderstand that as well.
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    Re: Non Christians Celebrating Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Geez.; Did he ever say that? You are just distorting things as much as you can to make it fit you desire for Christmas to be a pagan celebration. IT JUST ISNT! Ok? Its not called Paganmas or Venusmas or Marsmas or anything like that is it? Its called CHRISTmas.
    25th of December is not a Jewish holiday, but a Christian holiday. Get it?
    So It's ok to distort facts to back Christianity though? Did I ever say Christmas isn't a Christian holiday?

    I said the date December 25 was chosen as the date for Christmas to help the transition from paganism to Christianity. What Christians celebrate on Christmas is indeed a Christian holiday now. Well, now it's more of a none religious celebration of giving then a Christian holiday but what Christians celebrate still holds true for them.
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    Re: Non Christians Celebrating Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    This is a Christian holiday, but haven't you noticed that there is a Jewish holiday that falls real close to December 25?
    Yes. There also pagan holiday's that were celebrated on or around December 25. These holidays are more relevant than Hanukkah as they were celebrated in Rome at the start of Christianity and are religions that directly competed with Christianity.

    I am not saying Christmas is not a Christian holiday. It is. I am saying the date of the holiday and some aspects were chosen to help convert pagans to Christian. Does this invalidate the holiday and what is celebrate? Not at all.
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    Re: Non Christians Celebrating Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    "Christianity" is "Judaism" plus "Jesus" minus "old laws" minus "most of old testament" plus "lots of new stuff"
    What "old laws" are removed? Do you get to pick and choose these as well?

    What is "most of the old testament"? Do you get to pick an choose what falls into "most" or are there specific gospels that fall into this category?
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    Re: Non Christians Celebrating Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Santa Claus = Saint Nicholas. Ever heard of him?
    Modern version of Santa Claus = Coca Cola advertising campaign. Ever heard of it?
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    Re: Non Christians Celebrating Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Any proof of that? Besides, the Christian religion is an evolution from the Jewish faith, so the religious tradition we draw on goes back far before the arrival of Christ.
    Not according to the Jews. But then again, the Muslims claim that their religion is an evolution of Christianity, so I guess you've also been surpassed.
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    Re: Non Christians Celebrating Christmas

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Modern version of Santa Claus = Coca Cola advertising campaign. Ever heard of it?
    To be fair the visual of Santa Claus = Coca Cola. Santa Claus the person is derived from Saint Nicolaas (Sinterklaas). The stories though, presents under the tree, north pole, etc. are all either made up or taken from other cultural traditions.
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