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Non Christians Celebrating Christmas

Are you a non-Christian and still celebrate Christmas?

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ludahai said:
This is a Christian holiday, but haven't you noticed that there is a Jewish holiday that falls real close to December 25?
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Yes. There also pagan holiday's that were celebrated on or around December 25. These holidays are more relevant than Hanukkah as they were celebrated in Rome at the start of Christianity and are religions that directly competed with Christianity.

I am not saying Christmas is not a Christian holiday. It is. I am saying the date of the holiday and some aspects were chosen to help convert pagans to Christian. Does this invalidate the holiday and what is celebrate? Not at all.
 
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Maximus Zeebra said:
"Christianity" is "Judaism" plus "Jesus" minus "old laws" minus "most of old testament" plus "lots of new stuff"
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What "old laws" are removed? Do you get to pick and choose these as well?

What is "most of the old testament"? Do you get to pick an choose what falls into "most" or are there specific gospels that fall into this category?
 
ludahai said:
Santa Claus = Saint Nicholas. Ever heard of him?
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Modern version of Santa Claus = Coca Cola advertising campaign. Ever heard of it?
 
ludahai said:
Any proof of that? Besides, the Christian religion is an evolution from the Jewish faith, so the religious tradition we draw on goes back far before the arrival of Christ.
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Not according to the Jews. But then again, the Muslims claim that their religion is an evolution of Christianity, so I guess you've also been surpassed. :doh
 
Cephus said:
Modern version of Santa Claus = Coca Cola advertising campaign. Ever heard of it?
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To be fair the visual of Santa Claus = Coca Cola. Santa Claus the person is derived from Saint Nicolaas (Sinterklaas). The stories though, presents under the tree, north pole, etc. are all either made up or taken from other cultural traditions.
 
Gibberish said:
I said the date December 25 was chosen as the date for Christmas to help the transition from paganism to Christianity. What Christians celebrate on Christmas is indeed a Christian holiday now. Well, now it's more of a none religious celebration of giving then a Christian holiday but what Christians celebrate still holds true for them.
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Nah, not really. It was identified as the date of birth of Christ by various people and therefor naturally accepted as a date of celebration of Christmas by a great majority. Its not like Romans celebrated Christmas. Christmas hasn't really been celebrated for THAT long.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Nah, not really. It was identified as the date of birth of Christ by various people and therefor naturally accepted as a date of celebration of Christmas by a great majority.
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The first Council of Nicea were the one's to choose the December 25th date. If you have evidence to support that they chose the date for reasons other then to take over the pagan religious holidays that competed with Christianity in Rome I would be glad to hear it.

It was far from supported by the great majority at it's creation. It took centuries for Christmas to be accepted and celebrated by the great majority. It wasn't really a massive celebrated holiday until after Charlemagne at this point the celebration.

The Church very heavily relies on the idea that if you say something enough times and let enough time pass (usually centuries) then it will be come accepted as fact. Who are we to question something that has been said is true for hundreds of years?

Maximus Zeebra said:
Its not like Romans celebrated Christmas. Christmas hasn't really been celebrated for THAT long.
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Of course they didn't celebrate Christmas. They celebrated their own Holidays on the same day or time as Christmas before Christmas even existed.
 
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Gibberish said:
So It's ok to distort facts to back Christianity though? Did I ever say Christmas isn't a Christian holiday?

I said the date December 25 was chosen as the date for Christmas to help the transition from paganism to Christianity. What Christians celebrate on Christmas is indeed a Christian holiday now. Well, now it's more of a none religious celebration of giving then a Christian holiday but what Christians celebrate still holds true for them.
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You say this, but the fact that it isn't true kind of dilutes your point.
 
ludahai said:
You say this, but the fact that it isn't true kind of dilutes your point.
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If you are referring to the pagan transition remark, saying "it's not true" doesn't make it not true. You would need to provide some evidence to back your claim.
 
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Gibberish said:
If you are referring to the pagan transition remark, saying "it's not true" doesn't make it not true. You would need to provide some evidence to back your claim.
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Actually, those who are making the claim are the ones who need to provide the proof. And simply stating that it is near the date of a certain pagan celebration does not suffice.
 
Gibberish said:
The first Council of Nicea were the one's to choose the December 25th date. If you have evidence to support that they chose the date for reasons other then to take over the pagan religious holidays that competed with Christianity in Rome I would be glad to hear it.

It was far from supported by the great majority at it's creation. It took centuries for Christmas to be accepted and celebrated by the great majority. It wasn't really a massive celebrated holiday until after Charlemagne at this point the celebration.

The Church very heavily relies on the idea that if you say something enough times and let enough time pass (usually centuries) then it will be come accepted as fact. Who are we to question something that has been said is true for hundreds of years?



Of course they didn't celebrate Christmas. They celebrated their own Holidays on the same day or time as Christmas before Christmas even existed.
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I'm unable to find a reference supporting your claim of the Council of Nicea creating the tradition of Christ's Mass on December 25th. Can you help me?
 
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