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Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

Will aliens be hostile or friendly

  • Friendly

    Votes: 31 53.4%
  • Hostile

    Votes: 18 31.0%
  • We are alone

    Votes: 9 15.5%

  • Total voters
    58
  • Poll closed .
While it is pretty hard to conceive of an energy based lifeform, using no matter whatsoever, that could maintain its internal order in such a way as to maintain sapience...it's pretty hard to rule it out too, since we're engaging in speculation about things know almost nothing about.

I'm looking forward to the new exoplanet searches, using new methods to find worlds of Earthlike mass. I expect some exciting (and unexpected) results.

G

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Light beings... I bet they exist. I can almost see them off my window when I stare at the Sun's reflection on the window. On drugs of course.
 
I can't wait till humanity creates a "The Hub" that can copy ALL data from your head and implement it into an afterlife program on your deathbed into a giant fully replicated digital world. Then you could even have points in the digi world where they can go and see into the real world and have a tv screen display the dead love one and converse with them.

A lot of SF stories have been written along those lines. Lots of debate about how you would go about copying the mind, how much of the mind exists in the physical brain and how much is "virtual machine" or metaphysical and intangible. Of course there's the ultimate question, of whether a hypothetical brain-upload running on software would be "the real you" or merely an imitation; that is, whether there would be a continuity of conscience, or a transfer of the soul. I'm strongly inclined to think "not".

There was a time when the heart was thought to be the recepticle of the soul, and that the soul departed when the heart stopped. Open-heart surgery and heart transplants pretty much KO'd that theory. The idea of the brain being the link between the physical body and the intangible soul makes more sense to me, but then it begs the question of brain damage, brain surgery, trephining where part of the gray matter is skimmed away to relieve concussion pressure. People have survived and gone on to live with some degree of normalcy with a substantial chunk of their brain gone. Perhaps there is some specific portion of the brain, without which the consciousness cannot survive, that might be the that metaphysical link. Of course, its all a moot point to those who don't believe in an immortal soul, but I'd still think that the question of continuity of consciousness would be an issue to those folks.

If such a "mind upload" should become available (far fetched imho), I don't think I'd be intrested.

G.
 
A lot of SF stories have been written along those lines. Lots of debate about how you would go about copying the mind, how much of the mind exists in the physical brain and how much is "virtual machine" or metaphysical and intangible. Of course there's the ultimate question, of whether a hypothetical brain-upload running on software would be "the real you" or merely an imitation; that is, whether there would be a continuity of conscience, or a transfer of the soul. I'm strongly inclined to think "not".

There was a time when the heart was thought to be the recepticle of the soul, and that the soul departed when the heart stopped. Open-heart surgery and heart transplants pretty much KO'd that theory. The idea of the brain being the link between the physical body and the intangible soul makes more sense to me, but then it begs the question of brain damage, brain surgery, trephining where part of the gray matter is skimmed away to relieve concussion pressure. People have survived and gone on to live with some degree of normalcy with a substantial chunk of their brain gone. Perhaps there is some specific portion of the brain, without which the consciousness cannot survive, that might be the that metaphysical link. Of course, its all a moot point to those who don't believe in an immortal soul, but I'd still think that the question of continuity of consciousness would be an issue to those folks.

If such a "mind upload" should become available (far fetched imho), I don't think I'd be intrested.

G.

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One night when I was a little intoxicated I swore I could see the magnetic field created around my hand in a certain light source/angle.

When I swirled my hand in a circle I could see a shadow image in the light as if it was attracted energy of some sort lag behind and then accellerate to keep up.

Usually I refrain from telling too many people this but I know what I saw and it was clearly something disconnected but somehow attracted or mgnetically bound
yeah, thats called LSD or Acid in the vernacular
 
yeah, thats called LSD or Acid in the vernacular

I had an old high school friend who did acid and told me stories of what he saw

I never did any drugs except a little drinking
 
Why do you say this?

Billy O'Reilly for president??? Are you for real??? I may have well have voted for Bush if i was American. Dang.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tJjNVVwRCY"]YouTube - Bill O'Reilly Flips Out[/ame]

That sums it up.
 
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Billy O'Reilly for president??? Are you for real??? I may have well have voted for Bush if i was American. Dang.

YouTube - Bill O'Reilly Flips Out

That sums it up.

Interesting...and I suppose you never had less than flattering moments complaining about things not working the way they were supposed to?
 
Interesting...and I suppose you never had less than flattering moments complaining about things not working the way they were supposed to?

Im not planning on being Prez any time soon either :mrgreen:

Look on youtube theres an entire archive of bloopers.
 
Im not planning on being Prez any time soon either :mrgreen:

Look on youtube theres an entire archive of bloopers.

Speeking of you tube.. why did we loose all the picture icons of the posted vids after the forum transition?
 
Speeking of you tube.. why did we loose all the picture icons of the posted vids after the forum transition?

Raises hand. I accidentally The youtube.
 
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wittgenstein - If a lion could speak we could not understand him

Are point of reference would be so off we couldnt get them.They would most likely be completely bizarre and "alien" to us.
 
wittgenstein - If a lion could speak we could not understand him

Are point of reference would be so off we couldnt get them.They would most likely be completely bizarre and "alien" to us.

Sure we could communicate just by deciphering their language not much unlike we decoded the aztec symbols
 
wittgenstein - If a lion could speak we could not understand him

Are point of reference would be so off we couldnt get them.They would most likely be completely bizarre and "alien" to us.

Use complex algorithms to map their thought process until you decode a single lions brain thoughts based on the blood flow of their brain. Now you know what they think. Now you would just need a visual way of talking to them and instantly projecting something they could see.
Maybe even some how tweak a lion's brain to include a verbal area of brain just like humans through genetics.
 
Use complex algorithms to map their thought process until you decode a single lions brain thoughts based on the blood flow of their brain. Now you know what they think. Now you would just need a visual way of talking to them and instantly projecting something they could see.
Maybe even some how tweak a lion's brain to include a verbal area of brain just like humans through genetics.

Maybe just poke a fiber optics cable into their brain and hook it up to your Plasma TV
 
Use complex algorithms to map their thought process until you decode a single lions brain thoughts based on the blood flow of their brain. Now you know what they think. Now you would just need a visual way of talking to them and instantly projecting something they could see.
Maybe even some how tweak a lion's brain to include a verbal area of brain just like humans through genetics.

Thats not quite what i mean my point is are point of references would be so different i dont see any reason why are morals or ideas about oneself would be the same or even similar.
 
Thats not quite what i mean my point is are point of references would be so different i dont see any reason why are morals or ideas about oneself would be the same or even similar.

Mikhail, you could have a point. The idea that aliens might be "so alien" that we couldn't even communicate with them well or at all has been considered before.

Still, the hard material reality of dirt and rocks, plants and animals, food and fire, water and air, the fact that a standard helium nucleus is two protons and two neutrons everywhere in the known universe --- we should have at least some common reference points.

In the 1950s and 60s era of pulp-sci-fi, many writers speculated that aliens would be much like humans. They thought that evolution would run in largely parallel paths, with four-footed animals changing to upright bipeds with the need for a specialized pair of tool-making extremities. It logically followed, the argument goes, that most aliens would be upright bipeds built similarly to humans; omnivores; social/pack creatures; probably decended from brachiators (ape-like tree dwellers). Many writers assumed that some aliens would so resemble humanity that they could pass as human at a glance.

Later, science fiction writers who considered themselves "hard school" (ie as much real science as possible) started thinking up aliens that were very different from humans. Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle explored some of these themes with a number of excellent books.

Among "serious" SF writers and fans, those who view SF as speculation on future reality, "human-like" aliens are considered almost as old-fashioned as top hats... but given our utter lack of any real knowlege, it's almost anyones' guess.

Serious scientists have done some speculating and modeling of what alternate lifeforms might be like, including an intresting film whose name escapes me at the moment. Still, (I sound like a broken record) it's all speculation until(/unless) we meet some actual aliens. :mrgreen:

If there are any.

G.
 
I am not a mathematical idiot - I actually have a degree in the subject - and I can tell you that the odds aren't quite that good.

Really? Are you sure that you don't mean that the odds aren't that good that we are alone?

The number of estimated stars like our own sun keep increasing.

The number of suns in the Milky Way Galaxy alone is now estimated in the BILLIONS.

The number of GALAXIES in the Universe is estimated in the BILLIONS.

Equate in the fact that for each of these stars there are several Planets and Moons that orbit them..

If you THINK a little it is actually about IMPOSSIBLE that the Universe isn't literally FULL of MILLIONS of advanced types of life forms.....

If you THINK a little it is actually about IMPOSSIBLE that the Universe isn't literally FULL of an INFINITELY number of types of less than civilly intellect types of life forms.....
 
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They will be neutral.
 
We are alone.
 
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