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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Why do you assume they need resources? That they haven't found a sustainable non burning way, self sustainable surplus way of living?
    Like small amounts of energy creating bigger amounts of energy? Or 100% renewable, 100% high power electric energy ways? And that they cannot provide them self with enough food like we have trouble with?
    They prolly would not need resorces the way we would. But im just sticking to the conversation on if they would raid us for resorces.

    If I think we ever get met by any aliens it will be a race of ascended creatures whos domain is light. Some sort of super intelligence that does not need a body. Something like... All the energy stored in a harddrive except without the harddrive. It becomes so conciouss it just exsists in thought and energy with no need of a body. Something like the new The Day the Earth Stood Still.
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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
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    The Aliens will completely avoid us, and I cannot blame them..Maybe one out of a thousand will not be a threat, but how can the Aliens know....
    They would avoid contact with humanity in the same way modern humans avoid contact with the most primitive tribal communities on earth. However the avoidance would be much more complete; our paths often inadvertently cross with primitive peoples since the situation is reversed: there are few primitive tribes, and billions of us, all the while we compete for space on a finite world, and their existence is unknown until we cross paths in our pursuance of natural resources (including terrain).

    All the while with any interplanetary visitor, there would be few of them and many of us making it easy to avoid us, with the only reason to come into proximity with us being the value of observation of a primitive people or society. Missing here is the conflict over natural resources. There would be few natural resources on Earth of interest to our “aliens” because they would be more easily available elsewhere even in our star system, in raw form, and they would likely have mastered any need for sources of energy.

    I just completed an interesting novel from 1967 titled “Those Who Watch” by Robert Silverberg in which just this scenario is presented. In his book (taking place in 1982, with many extrapolations about that year which had failed to materialize) there were two alien visitors who were constant observers of human activities apparently because of our quick and sudden activities in science combined with warfare. They in turn were waiting for that moment when we would be sufficiently matured as a civilization, to join the inter-gallactic community, which in our region was split between these two competing "space powers". It offered some interesting ideas in the realm of thought of this OP.

    My own thoughts are that while life in our own stellar neighborhood, which is the only region of the Universe relevant in this discussion, because of the vast distances involved, (life) is quite common, only intelligent life of a level far beyond our own present state meets the criteria for intra-galactic or interstellar exploration. Also many galactic civilizations would no doubt fail to achieve space travel because or more mundane societal needs (a future we will likely fall prey to), or if they did reach the scientific level of space travel, they might never find it important to go beyond their own star system, for many millennia, if ever.

    With so much in natural resources likely to be available and confined to a space faring civilization’s own neighborhood (because space travel would not likely develop in an environment of few resources), travel beyond their home region would need be driven by more than acquisition of resources. The great distances involved and co-incidents of timing of fruitful civilizations would seem to yield few interstellar travelers, thus making for few encounters between civilizations.

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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    They prolly would not need resorces the way we would. But im just sticking to the conversation on if they would raid us for resorces.
    Why would they need that? Its viable even for us underdeveloped humans to produce enough energy with non-fossil renewable natural resources, we just haven't got so far. If aliens in theory could find their way to earth, it is very likely they have an infinite supply and storage capacity for energy as well.
    The way WE think about energy is rather primitive.
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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Why would they need that? Its viable even for us underdeveloped humans to produce enough energy with non-fossil renewable natural resources, we just haven't got so far. If aliens in theory could find their way to earth, it is very likely they have an infinite supply and storage capacity for energy as well.
    The way WE think about energy is rather primitive.
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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    why would govt help to spread hysteria?
    The gov. fears if they come out and tell the truth that it will cause a mass panic and that would be a thread to our Nat. Security so they keep alll this a secret.

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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    Kandahar, if you ever see a flying U.F.O. Your whole thought process will change on this whole subject.

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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    The gov. fears if they come out and tell the truth that it will cause a mass panic and that would be a thread to our Nat. Security so they keep alll this a secret.
    American leaders in place as of now.. And some elsewhere are soooooo power hungrey that they would never want a big base of peaceful people to meet a fully evolved 100% non-violent race that intended to communicate with us and got through to all of humanity. If there ever was any to come.



    If their whole society was 100% peaceful. It would be an instant platform to join and stop ALL strife.

    I think the powerful countries right now would have every one shot down if they could, rather than attempt to comminicate after they realized what would happen to their power if all the citizens knew of a golden aged society they could perfectly emulate with all of the garden of eden to tap.

    If I was smart alien people bent on conquest I would just devise an engineered plauge if and lose no soldiers. Or abduct all the monkies on earth and put chips in their brain that makes them walk around and shoot nuthing but humans with deadly precision.

    I dont think they would chose to subvertly enter unless they where truly and ultimately evil and wanted to enslave a race through subversive tactics and making themselves out to be godlike with no chance of equality in the future. Just for whim and evilness.
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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    There are trillions of planets in the universe capable of nurturing intelligent life. We'd be mathematical idiots to deny the odds.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    the near-certainty that intelligent life exists somewhere else in the universe
    I am not a mathematical idiot - I actually have a degree in the subject - and I can tell you that the odds aren't quite that good. There was a series of rather improbable and fortuitous events that occurred to make Earth inhabitable.

    Specifically, Earth had to be in a circular orbit around a star of the right type (Earth-like planets can only occur after a star has blown up and re-formed several times, with each cycle creating heavier and heavier elements.) in the habitable zone. We haven't found any planets that meet any of these conditions. Furthermore, we know from the example of Venus that planets our size accumulate an atmosphere so thick that they experience a runaway greenhouse effect. Also, we know from the example of Mars that planets smaller than ours do not have enough gravity to retain their atmosphere.

    So is there a correct size to steer between these two extremes? No. All planets are uninhabitable, either because they lack atmosphere or they have too much. But what about Earth, you ask? Well, we were on the way to being like Venus when we were hit by a Mars-size planetoid that blew off our excess atmosphere and created the moon. Without this chance occurrence, there would be no life on Earth.

    And quite a chance occurrence it was too! The planetoid struck us a glancing blow, circled completely around the sun and hit us again, this time squarely, sticking its core to ours, which is why Earth wobbles today. It is also why we have plate tectonics. Would it have worked had it hit us squarely the first time? No. Blowing the atmosphere off without shattering the planet cannot be done with a square initial blow. (Physicists have simulated various sized planetoids hitting Earth at various angles.) Lining up that shot is about as probable as my hitting you in the forehead with a deer rifle from a mile away.

    Is the universe a big enough place for this series of events to occur twice? Actually, the universe is not as big as one might think. The farthest parts of the universe are just hydrogen and a few of the lightest elements. Also, there are sources of x-rays around that basically smite whole galaxies and even neighboring galaxies with radiation that no life form could live in.

    So, short answer: Not bloody likely, though not completely impossible either.

    But even then, given those extreme odds, what is the chance that large multi-celled creatures will evolve? It took a long time for multi-cellular life to arise on Earth and the chance of all life being wiped out during that time (large meteor, nearby super-nova, etc) is quite high. Without any examples (other than our own) of planets with life, it is hard to estimate these odds, but they are not good. If we find life on other planets, it is much more likely that it is going to be blue-green algae, not little green men.

    What is the chance of multi-cellular organisms developing intelligence? Nobody know why intelligence developed on Earth - the dinosaurs' history is millions of times longer than mammals' history and the dinosaurs never became intelligent - so it is pure speculation to guess the odds of other multi-cellular organisms being intelligent. But it seems unlikely. Intelligence is certainly not a guaranteed result of evolution. It is not even a likely result of evolution.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    However, if they did wish to do so, they would clearly have enough firepower to wipe out our planet as easily as we can wipe out a nest of termites.
    Okay, even making the huge logical leap that intelligent life exists elsewhere, what is the chance that they will come here? And bring enough ordinance to wipe out our planet like a nest of termites?

    Short answer: None. The distances are just too great.

    Time dilation is insignificant until one reaches at least 30% the speed of light. Yet if we ignited all of the petroleum on Earth, all at once in one big gunshot, we would not create enough energy to propel a 1000-pound projectile up to 10% of light speed.

    And it would be a one-way trip, so what would be the point?

    And a 1000-pound payload isn't enough to destroy one city, much less a whole planet.

    Bottom line: I wouldn't lose any sleep fretting about alien attacks.

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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    Quote Originally Posted by Onion Eater View Post
    We haven't found any planets that meet any of these conditions.
    We haven't really explored that much of space anyways, for all we know it could be endless. Dont give me that stuff about the telescope watching the creation of big bang billions of years back in time and seeing the end of the universe, thats just plain silly logic.
    Anyways we haven't looked really close at many planets at all, putting these things into the equation makes the likelihood of intelligent life on other planets overwhelming. We know NOTHING about space.

    Its all theories bases on theories based on theories about guesses based on theories based on guesses which forms most of our knowledge about space, thats just not solid science at all. Our enormous lack of understanding has lead us into temptation and speculation about how things are, like the morons who claim that God doesn't exist because the universe was created with a big bang() that they have no way of proving, and trying to prove it completely overlook things about time and space which we do not know, and they are MANY.
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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    I think they would need absolutely NOTHING from our planet.
    Yes, I agree, that is most likely. My original comments early in this thread said as much. I stated that by far the most likely scenario was that we would be entirely ignored.

    I think if aliens ever did come here the only reason would be to help. They would see if we could survive ourselves and then if we did. Give us as many bumps as they can. (evolution not coke)
    I don't see how you can entirely rule out the continued need for resources, and perhaps even labor. I see why you would speculate that such might be the case, but to hold such confidence in that speculative assertion... I don't think so.

    I think their would be a cap on intelligence through evolution at some point. After a while it all just become response to different situations or enviroments.
    Why? I suspect that it is because you can't conceive of greater intelligence. However, I think intelligence is the sort of thing that you can't conceive of if you don't already have it, and the same might go for hyper-intelligence.

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