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Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

Will aliens be hostile or friendly

  • Friendly

    Votes: 31 53.4%
  • Hostile

    Votes: 18 31.0%
  • We are alone

    Votes: 9 15.5%

  • Total voters
    58
  • Poll closed .
We need to find ways to hook into the universe's natrual gravity lines when they connect in a perfect connect the dot's type of way and then find a way to somehow "change" the vessal so that it rather be at the furthest gravity point we wish.

Let me know when you have a working model.

I think if you are trying to apply our definition of "life" to the Universe then you surely don't understand the vastness, and baffling complexities of the Universe (I sure as hell don't).

I am guessing you suggest that these things live in the same dimensions as us. That on their homeworld they are subject to gravitational limits. That their planet rotates on a similar plan as ours, so that they have a similar idea of time and space, or that they even have any idea of time or space, or that they have any ideas to begin with.

The universe is indeed infinite, but infinities come in different sizes. For instance, the intergers are countably infinite, as are the rational numbers, which are composed of two integers, one in the numerator and one in the denominator. The real numbers are uncountably infinite. But they are far from being the set with the largest measure.

The point is, "infinite" is not just a catch-all term that means "anything can happen." This is a mistake that Nietzche made in his otherwise-excellent book, Thus Spoke Zarathustra. Nietzche thought that infinity implied that once something had happened, it would eventually happen again, or its exact opposite would happen. No, infinity isn't generally that big.

So, a word of warning: Just because the universe is infinite doesn't mean that you can spin the most fanciful of scenarios and just assume that "infinite" implies that your scenario exists somewhere. The universe is a big place, but it is not as big as the space between your ears. That space contains things that will never occur anywhere in the universe.

My previous posts had some rather rough guesses of probabilities and I will get back to you guys when I have a more formal, though still laymen-level, paper written about the possibility of aliens visiting us. But my basic thesis stands: It is darned improbable - comparable to me hitting with my deer rifle from a mile away a dime tossed in the air. Of course, rifle bullets do travel a mile - it's not like the bullet will fall short - but that fact alone does not make wagering on my marksmanship a good bet.
 
Hard to say-do you consider Ross Perot friendly?
 
Let me know when you have a working model.



The universe is indeed infinite, but infinities come in different sizes. For instance, the intergers are countably infinite, as are the rational numbers, which are composed of two integers, one in the numerator and one in the denominator. The real numbers are uncountably infinite. But they are far from being the set with the largest measure.

The point is, "infinite" is not just a catch-all term that means "anything can happen." This is a mistake that Nietzche made in his otherwise-excellent book, Thus Spoke Zarathustra. Nietzche thought that infinity implied that once something had happened, it would eventually happen again, or its exact opposite would happen. No, infinity isn't generally that big.

So, a word of warning: Just because the universe is infinite doesn't mean that you can spin the most fanciful of scenarios and just assume that "infinite" implies that your scenario exists somewhere. The universe is a big place, but it is not as big as the space between your ears. That space contains things that will never occur anywhere in the universe.

I do not entirely understand why my post was quoted. Not once did I use the term "infinity", as I believe using the world infinity is overly underestimating the Universe (humans do not have a clue to the true ambiguity and size of the Universe).

I think before one speculates about the Universe they need to ignore their own understanding of life, as it will not lead to any insight. All I'm trying to say.
 
I am guessing you suggest that these things live in the same dimensions as us. That on their homeworld they are subject to gravitational limits. That their planet rotates on a similar plan as ours, so that they have a similar idea of time and space, or that they even have any idea of time or space, or that they have any ideas to begin with.

I do not entirely understand why my post was quoted. Not once did I use the term "infinity", as I believe using the world infinity is overly underestimating the Universe (humans do not have a clue to the true ambiguity and size of the Universe).

I think before one speculates about the Universe they need to ignore their own understanding of life, as it will not lead to any insight. All I'm trying to say.

That's true - you did not use the word "infinite." But your argument is common to people who cite the term "infinite universe" to support just about any scenario, no matter how fantastic.

The point I was making is that the assumptions you deride - gravitation, elliptical orbits, space and time - are not unreasonable. In fact, it's accepted that these things are consistent throughout the universe.

Your point, that we do not want to be too parochial in our thinking, is well-taken, but let us not let our imaginations run away with us either. Maybe there are aliens with "hyperintelligence," whatever that means, but humans aren't complete idiots either. We actually know a lot about astrophysics. To claim that we "don't have a clue" is to jettison a lot of hard-earned knowledge and replace it with pure speculation.

If nothing else, we should be able to agree that this discussion can be tethered to basic concepts like gravity. No?
 
That's true - you did not use the word "infinite." But your argument is common to people who cite the term "infinite universe" to support just about any scenario, no matter how fantastic.

The point I was making is that the assumptions you deride - gravitation, elliptical orbits, space and time - are not unreasonable. In fact, it's accepted that these things are consistent throughout the universe.

Your point, that we do not want to be too parochial in our thinking, is well-taken, but let us not let our imaginations run away with us either. Maybe there are aliens with "hyperintelligence," whatever that means, but humans aren't complete idiots either. We actually know a lot about astrophysics. To claim that we "don't have a clue" is to jettison a lot of hard-earned knowledge and replace it with pure speculation.

If nothing else, we should be able to agree that this discussion can be tethered to basic concepts like gravity. No?

The only clue we have is the concepts in perspective of Earth. We understand gravity based on how it is represented on Earth. I do think gravity, or what we call gravity, is a great nominee for a universal concept, however I do not think an intelligent life that has experienced gravity differently (as would happen, unless exact circumstances are present in hypothetical planet A and Earth) would agree with us on what gravity is. If two people from two different ends of the Earth looked at the same oil-leak on a pavement one might suggest that the oil-leak resembles an alligator, while the other might say it looks like a snake. It is neither an alligator or snake, but it is (as perspectives and speculations are what comprises everything and gives credibility to another) both at the same time.

Am I making sense? I am not trying to dismiss our findings, and our research as humans, in-fact I am impressed and amazed that our Mars Rover has lived 4 years and 9 months longer than it's designer intended. I am, however, trying to say that if we take theories (such as big bang) as the dogma/canon of space exploration then we are going to end up with nothing but failures. We need to keep our imaginations open. Science sure as hell will never be able to make sense of everything.
 
If Aliens are met in Washington DC, by Republicans, they will be hostile and we will face a spaced War.

If Aliens are met in Washington DC, by Democrats, there will be peace, popcorn, hamburger, and Nachos. We will learn to straighten out all terrible problems caused by the eight horrible years of George and Dick.

:2razz: :lol:

Here Here. Though I think all politicians would find something in common with aliens.
 
Are the Humans Warlike?

Are the Humans Warlike?

Orbiting the oxygen-rich blue-green planet,
We peer through gun sights, trying to read it.
Are the humans warlike? Be they tigers or sheep,
Either way, the fact is: Their planet, we need it.

Know your enemy and know yourself – Sun Tzu.
To learn about the humans we’ll capture one,
Test his strength, his courage and his mettle.
Find out what they’re made of; that will be fun!

We hover over the city, looking for one alone,
There’s our prey, walking though a cemetery!
God! He fights like a demon! Eight of us fall.
But we tie him up and to our ship we do carry,

The human as he writhes in our grasp. An ell!
Muscles bulging, he strains against his binds,
Blood pours out as the cords dig into his wrists,
But he pulls even harder. His teeth he grinds.

We bring him to the CAT scan machine,
An advanced version that can read minds,
It looks for thoughts of surrender, of fear;
But hatred, fury and rage are all that it finds.

Snapping his binds he leaps free of the CAT scan,
Striking in every direction he lays ten of us low,
Our spaceship is splattered with blood and gore!
Stealing a shuttle, he returns to the planet below.

Half of our crew dead, we abandon the planet,
The humans are too fierce! They can keep it.
Our species has conquered many planets before,
But not this one; to our home world we beat it.

The sun is rising as he races across the cemetery,
He had wanted to stay and kill the rest of the crew,
But, being a vampire, he had to return to his grave,
The aliens didn’t know it, but Earth has its monsters too.


I have a whole page of Free Online Poetry at my website!
 
thur takin er jubs!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Call me a pessimist, but in my speculative opinion:

The most likely thing to happen will be that they consider us uninteresting and completely ignore us.​

The second most likely thing is that they will consider us or our planet a natural resource of some kind and will take possession of whatever they need. We will be to them as the members of the animal kingdom are to us.​

The third and least most likely thing will be that they find us interesting after all, will respect our life and become benevolent friends.​
If you consider our attitude toward life forms that are below us in the natural order, and consider our position below aliens in the natural order, my conclusions are compelling. We naturally conclude that the experience of animals in this existence is insignificant compared to our own, and aliens will most likely conclude the same when comparing theirs to ours.

I think that this was a great post...
 
I'm not saying. ;)
 
Looking at all living creatures on our own planet almost everything alive attacks and kills. (Even many plants somehow developed different defense mechanisms). So it is my belief that the highest probability is that aliens wont be a bit friendly.

Likely not in our lifetime but future generations may see this as a reality.

I would like to hear if it's yes or no or we are alone from you and logical reasons.:)

The aliens I have met have been friendly, but they are getting pretty uppity as a group. Demanding our wealth, our services and our citizenship.

Protesting en masse in our streets with our Stars and Bars flying upside down and underneath foreign flags.

So... friendly or not; I don't know how to categorize these aliens. They seem to fit into two categories: Individually they seem tame, but as a group they behave exactly like... American Socialists... Liberals... Democrats.

Which brings us to the next question on the philosophical train:

Are Liberals aliens too?

I would say yes, and with that it answers your question.
Individually you can sit at the dinner table with them and give them metal utensils without fearing your life will be in jeopardy. They cause no harm when isolated.
As a group... aliens are hostile and irrational.
 
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The aliens I have met have been friendly, but they are getting pretty uppity as a group. Demanding our wealth, our services and our citizenship.

Protesting en masse in our streets with our Stars and Bars flying upside down and underneath foreign flags.

So... friendly or not; I don't know how to categorize these aliens. They seem to fit into two categories: Individually they seem tame, but as a group they behave exactly like... American Socialists... Liberals... Democrats.

Which brings us to the next question on the philosophical train:

Are Liberals aliens too?

I would say yes, and with that it answers your question.
Individually you can sit at the dinner table with them and give them metal utensils without fearing your life will be in jeopardy. They cause no harm when isolated.
As a group... aliens are hostile and irrational.

No way man. You must look at the creatures with the highest intelligence. (well maybe besides humans)
How often do elephants and dolphins kill compared to snakes and ants? (assuming you are not talking about causing the death of plants... but you can't expect an elephant to evolve through technology and extra-intelligence itself outside of our views of the animal kingdom to make itself even more nondestructive)

Does this prove furtherance of evolution?
YouTube - BONNIE the WHISTLING Ape : Teaches Herself How To WHISTLE !

Unless aliens are bug like or just not bound to individualism and stuck to a hive like misguided conscious that guided all its actions through most self chosen means. Example would be a alien AI system that wiped out its creators and found us one day and was hell bent on subjugating all biolife.
 
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Example would be a alien AI system that wiped out its creators and found us one day and was hell bent on subjugating all biolife.

Sounds like a follow up story to The Physics of Immortality but penned by Stephen King.
 
I can only reply to this question from a human perspective, which may be primitive and inaccurate.

Any species capable of interstellar flight would have had to have conquered many tests in their society that could risk their self-destruction. They would have to be socially and technologically advanced which would require cooperation and knowledge beyond our comprehension. If other intelligent species do exist, then this means that life is probably very common, in which case we can assume there is probably more than one sentient race out there... in which case, after 1 species learning to cooperate and learn within their own society, they also have to learn to live in an intergalactic arrangement of other species.

Secondly, if they have interstellar capabilities then at least some have already charted our solar system, in which case they know what is here. Any race capable of travelling the stars is many, many stages ahead of us, so far ahead that we would only maybe be of interest to the specialists among their races: resource gatherers, researchers, explorers, etc. It would make no sense for them to bring an entire civilization here, we just aren't that important. After charting the system, they would send specialists who have an interest, or simply not care at all.

And lastly... the only reason why any of them would want to make contact with us would be for their own self-interest. We are not advanced enough to offer them anything special, and frankly, human governments would just want to get to know them so that they could get the edge on other humans. We are still very much a tribal species concerned about power, selfishness, and protection of our immediate communities; any alien species coming here would have advanced far beyond those basic needs since they aren't confined to one planet anymore and therefore fighting over turf is meaningless.

It would make much more sense for them to just observe us, but not get involved. We are too primitive.
 
The aliens I have met have been friendly, but they are getting pretty uppity as a group. Demanding our wealth, our services and our citizenship.

Protesting en masse in our streets with our Stars and Bars flying upside down and underneath foreign flags.

So... friendly or not; I don't know how to categorize these aliens. They seem to fit into two categories: Individually they seem tame, but as a group they behave exactly like... American Socialists... Liberals... Democrats.

Which brings us to the next question on the philosophical train:

Are Liberals aliens too?

I would say yes, and with that it answers your question.
Individually you can sit at the dinner table with them and give them metal utensils without fearing your life will be in jeopardy. They cause no harm when isolated.
As a group... aliens are hostile and irrational.
Do you ever turn your partisan bull**** switch off? :shock:
 
Aliens are definitely hostile.

Look at the damage the Democrats have done so far.

On another note, the mere fact that this planet has abundant quantities of coal, petroleum, various metal ores, and other natural resources is a very strong indication that no space faring species has visited this planet since life crawled onto land.
 
Are the Humans Warlike?
hey, changing the name of the post is Monk-eye's schtick
Aliens are definitely hostile.

Look at the damage the Democrats have done so far.

On another note, the mere fact that this planet has abundant quantities of coal, petroleum, various metal ores, and other natural resources is a very strong indication that no space faring species has visited this planet since life crawled onto land.
or maybe the natural resource necessary for easy space travel has already been completely mined prior to our achieving any kind of modern intelligence
 
Do you ever turn your partisan bull**** switch off? :shock:

Not here...

Why?
It's fun.
Can't we have fun anymore?
Or has Obama outlawed or taxed it too?
Things are moving so fast it's hard to keep up.

C'mon... I switched it to illegal aliens... he didn't specify what type of "alien" and I thought I'd comment on the behavior of aliens I have seen...and have a little fun... with their Liberal representatives.

Lighten up... for your enjoyment... Let's play it again Sam...
:)

The aliens I have met have been friendly, but they are getting pretty uppity as a group. Demanding our wealth, our services and our citizenship.

Protesting en masse in our streets with our Stars and Bars flying upside down and underneath foreign flags.

So... friendly or not; I don't know how to categorize these aliens. They seem to fit into two categories: Individually they seem tame, but as a group they behave exactly like... American Socialists... Liberals... Democrats.

Which brings us to the next question on the philosophical train:

Are Liberals aliens too?

I would say yes, and with that it answers your question.
Individually you can sit at the dinner table with them and give them metal utensils without fearing your life will be in jeopardy. They cause no harm when isolated.
As a group... aliens are hostile and irrational.
 
Do they give green cards to space aliens?

Good question.

If the majority vote D, are poorly educated and like free goodies... I'm sure it's no problem.
 
Good question.

If the majority vote D, are poorly educated and like free goodies... I'm sure it's no problem.

Can you make the toilet paper overhand/underhand partisan too?
 
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