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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1991 View Post
    I apologize if reading comprehension is not your forte.
    Again, I said "Every scientific observation so far."
    You said:

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1991 View Post
    ...I said there could be other life, but in the distances that we can observe there is none...
    You are claiming, as a fact, that "other life" is nonexistent within our sphere of the observable universe because we haven't observed it yet. This is a logical fallacy which assumes a premise is true because it hasn't been proven false.

    This is akin to saying a box definitely doesn't have a baseball inside it because we haven't seen what's inside the box. Again, it assumes a premise to be true because it hasn't been proven false - this is a logical fallacy.

    I'll be as clear as I can:

    As far as our telescopes can see, and as far as we can measure the levels of hydrogen, carbon, and oxygen on other planets and their distance from stars, there has not yet been an inhabitable planet as far as we can observe.
    Just because we haven't observed such a planet does not mean it doesn't exist within our sphere of the observable universe or that we should assume it isn't there.

    Thus far, we have only observed 353 extrasolar planets [1]; it is ridiculous to assume that within an observable sphere of 78 billion light years [2] that no life-supporting planets exist. Again, you are arguing from ignorance and using a gap in evidence to support your premise - this is a logical fallacy.

    My original point to the OP stands, that is doesn't really matter if there are "aliens" out there somewhere in the universe.
    Yes it does. It matters a great deal.

    The distance for travel to or from is virtually insurmountable...
    Assumption sans evidence. We do not know one way or the other.

    ...for all purposes related to us in the next several hundred years, as a species it's best to assume we're alone on this tiny blue speck.
    Making an assumption without evidence is never the best option.

    [1] - Planet Quest: New Worlds Atlas

    [2] - BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Astronomers size up the Universe

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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    Quote Originally Posted by creativedreams View Post
    One of its MOONS....
    Even so, there conditions cannot sustain intelligent life forms. Your not seriously suggesting there are other intelligent life forms within our solar system? Thats simply ludicrous.
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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1991 View Post
    Thanks, but I have enough trouble educating you guys.
    You're educating us? Despite the fact your premise was based upon a factually incorrect statement?

    E.g.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1991 View Post
    There may be life on other planets, but for the 5 million or so light years that we can see in every direction, there are none.
    Look on the bright side, you were only off by 77.995 billion light years.


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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    You are claiming, as a fact, that "other life" is nonexistent within our sphere of the observable universe because we haven't observed it yet. This is a logical fallacy which assumes a premise is true because it hasn't been proven false.

    Assumption sans evidence. We do not know one way or the other.
    I'm only "claiming it" because the science backs it up. The Scientific method is the evidence. You seem to be saying our powers of observation are very limited. But our ability to measure chemicals and other properties that show a planet could support life are very good, at least for several light years in any direction.

    Until science observes magical flying unicorns, I will also take the audacious stance that they don't exist either.

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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Even so, there conditions cannot sustain intelligent life forms. Your not seriously suggesting there are other intelligent life forms within our solar system? Thats simply ludicrous.
    No, I agree....I guess I got a little off track and was referring to life forms in general within our solar system which is a far cry from the claim of no life within 5 million light years...

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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1991 View Post
    I'm only "claiming it" because the science backs it up. The Scientific method is the evidence.
    This is false, as I have already demonstrated. Your position is a logical fallacy. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

    You seem to be saying our powers of observation are very limited.
    I have neither confirmed nor denied such a statement.

    But our ability to measure chemicals and other properties that show a planet could support life are very good, at least for several light years in any direction.
    Our ability to measure chemicals and other properties? You don't even know what you are saying so just stop talking out of your ass, okay? What's next? Claiming that the observable universe is only 5 million light years in diameter? Oh, wait, you already did that...

    Until science observes magical flying unicorns, I will also take the audacious stance that they don't exist either.
    Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
    Nice way to put it!

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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    I just hope that the girl aliens are hot and ready to party.
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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkU4t2dUEwk]YouTube - Boondocks - The absence of evidence[/ame]
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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Do you go around being hostile to every bird, dog, cat, and ant? Let me know when you are waging a war on pandas because they are dumber than us. I wish to join. And when we have conquered the species... I shall rule the pandas with an iron fist!
    What if the enemy in the cosmos don't kill each other in wars like we do here on earth. Would that prove how intelligent they are?

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