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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    My personal opinion? Earth is a preserve in the galactic map. Remember the photograph of the natives in Brazil, shooting arrows at the airplane taking their picture? That's Earth.
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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    Some people seem to assume that aliens capable of traveling between the stars must necessarily be so far ahead of us in technology that we are like Stone Age people by comparison. Some think that aliens would be so far ahead of us culturally and socially that we would be like fire ants to them.

    Maybe...maybe not.

    As speculated in Pournelle/Niven's book "Footfall", relatively primitive aliens could have gotten a "boost" to their technology by encountering the remains of a perished advanced civilization that had once existed on their own homeworld.

    Contrariwise, an alien species would not have to be so much more advanced than us in many areas of technology to construct some sub-light vessels...just more focused on space travel than we seem to be.

    For all we know, FTL might be something that an alien race no more advanced than we are now, could stumble over thanks to an Einstein-level genius having an inspirational thought.

    There is a theory that says that when a species develops advanced technology, that evolution ceases...they no longer are shaped to their environment, but rather shape their environment to suit themselves.

    Aliens might not be any more sophisticated socially than we are.

    Conflict is a possibility. Peaceful exchange of ideas is also possible. It is also possible that we are alone in the galaxy.

    Odds are good that we won't know until we go see for ourselves.

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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    There is a theory that says that when a species develops advanced technology, that evolution ceases...they no longer are shaped to their environment, but rather shape their environment to suit themselves.
    A recent documentary I've seen on space travel suggests that humans will likely begin to evolve dramatically once they adventure into space. For instance, even after a few generations of colonizing a body such as the moon, or Mars, our population would begin to select for traits which favored lower gravity. It might be tough to understand how natural selection would work for an advanced society in which every child is nurtured, well-fed, and protected. I believe the assumption is that those who adapt the best will be the most desirable physically, as well as the most healthy emotionally, and thus more likely to produce offspring.


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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    For all we know, FTL might be something that an alien race no more advanced than we are now, could stumble over thanks to an Einstein-level genius having an inspirational thought.
    The universe is estimated to be about 12 billion years old

    Earth is estimated to be 4.5 billion years old

    Earth had to start over at least 3 times because of major disasters in which the most developed species were wiped out.

    Humans have only been developing for around 40 thousand years

    These factors make it likely that we are Billions of years behind in evolution of some other civilizations

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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    Quote Originally Posted by creativedreams View Post
    The universe is estimated to be about 12 billion years old

    Earth is estimated to be 4.5 billion years old

    Earth had to start over at least 3 times because of major disasters in which the most developed species were wiped out.

    Humans have only been developing for around 40 thousand years

    These factors make it likely that we are Billions of years behind in evolution of some other civilizations

    Are you considering the factor in the Drake Equation, where a technological civilization is assumed to have a limited span of time in which it is capable of communicating on an interstellar level... including the possibility that high-tech civilizations destroy themselves eventually in most cases?

    There was also the point that once we reach a certain level of technology, and start shaping the environment to suit ourselves, rather than being shaped by it, that evolution (for us) comes to a halt? The reasoning being, in one aspect, that instead of our "weak and unfit" dying off early, they are instead kept alive through medical technology and often reproduce.

    Some speculate that self-directed "evolution" through genetic engineering and techno-augmentation would replace "natural" evolution.

    Others speculate that past a certain point in development, a super-advanced species would cease to be intrested in the physical universe and transcend into some sort of "higher state of being".

    Of course, its all speculation... even evolution itself is just a theory used to explain available data, and may be another field in which our ignorance exceeds our assumed knowlege.

    Stars billions of years older than ours are also known to be deficient in heavier elements (in astrophysical terms, including carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen and oxygen, the stuff of life), and therefore less likely to have habitable planets with advanced lifeforms. The fact is WE might be the oldest intelligent life in the galaxy...we have no way of knowing at this point.

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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    A recent documentary I've seen on space travel suggests that humans will likely begin to evolve dramatically once they adventure into space. For instance, even after a few generations of colonizing a body such as the moon, or Mars, our population would begin to select for traits which favored lower gravity. It might be tough to understand how natural selection would work for an advanced society in which every child is nurtured, well-fed, and protected. I believe the assumption is that those who adapt the best will be the most desirable physically, as well as the most healthy emotionally, and thus more likely to produce offspring.

    Larry Niven was (is) fond of speculating along those lines, especially about the effects of gravity on human adaptation. Whether this would result in speciation or actual "evolutionary" advancement is speculative, but intresting.

    The dramatically varied planets we've already found in the exoplanet search ongoing, has lead to a lot more speculation on what we might find in terms of earthlike worlds. Some scientists have begun to speculate that Earth might be among the smallest and least-massive worlds capable of supporting life, and that many other terrestrial planets might have much higher gravity.

    One of the intresting things about the explanet search, and the unexpected results, is how humbling it is to realize how little we really know.

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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Are you considering the factor in the Drake Equation, where a technological civilization is assumed to have a limited span of time in which it is capable of communicating on an interstellar level... including the possibility that high-tech civilizations destroy themselves eventually in most cases?
    I think that the probability of that happening is very high.

    Might be a good explanation of why we haven't been visited yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    There was also the point that once we reach a certain level of technology, and start shaping the environment to suit ourselves, rather than being shaped by it, that evolution (for us) comes to a halt? The reasoning being, in one aspect, that instead of our "weak and unfit" dying off early, they are instead kept alive through medical technology and often reproduce.
    This is happening today, its horrible. It is devolution.
    Instead of supporting the best we have let ourselves become supporting the weakest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Some speculate that self-directed "evolution" through genetic engineering and techno-augmentation would replace "natural" evolution.
    We are about to start that, so I can see that for sure

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Stars billions of years older than ours are also known to be deficient in heavier elements (in astrophysical terms, including carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen and oxygen, the stuff of life), and therefore less likely to have habitable planets with advanced lifeforms. The fact is WE might be the oldest intelligent life in the galaxy...we have no way of knowing at this point.

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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    including the possibility that high-tech civilizations destroy themselves eventually in most cases?

    Others speculate that past a certain point in development, a super-advanced species would cease to be intrested in the physical universe and transcend into some sort of "higher state of being".
    Unfotunately I can see self destruction as a very real possibility for humans..

    I can see the possibility of people intentionally living in a dream state in the far future...it would be like an addicting drug for some.

    Some astrophysicists entertain the thought of the possiblility of energy based life forms...what's your take on this?
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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    While it is pretty hard to conceive of an energy based lifeform, using no matter whatsoever, that could maintain its internal order in such a way as to maintain sapience...it's pretty hard to rule it out too, since we're engaging in speculation about things know almost nothing about.

    I'm looking forward to the new exoplanet searches, using new methods to find worlds of Earthlike mass. I expect some exciting (and unexpected) results.

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    Re: Will aliens be friendly or hostile?

    I used to think about this a lot as a kid. Do to machines we really have stopped evolution. In the way that we are used to thinking about it. But who knows what being exposed to massive amounts of wireless routers and cell phones is doing to our insides when it comes to evolution.

    I think the next big hit for evolution is definitely going to come from lineages of people that stay in 0 gravity. It's prolly how you get to live to 1,000. Unless we procrastinate on space colonization and gain noticeable evolution through merging technology and body perfectly.

    I can't wait till humanity creates a "The Hub" that can copy ALL data from your head and implement it into an afterlife program on your deathbed into a giant fully replicated digital world. Then you could even have points in the digi world where they can go and see into the real world and have a tv screen display the dead love one and converse with them.
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