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    Re: Would you support this as 'common sense' gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    How so?
    And how is the infringement of the rights of the law abiding,
    I never said it was.

    created by the prior restraint created by the waiting period/background check, not a larger flaw?

    I don't see it as a flaw like you do. I can wait three days to get my gun. Nor do I have a problem registering with DHS and the FBI when I buy photo chemicals.

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    Re: Would you support this as 'common sense' gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But as we agreed that this was easily defeated, then the above statement becomes false. If easily defeated, it won't prevent criminals from getting guns.
    If "easily defeated" is your argument, then you cannot support any gun control at all, as it is all 'easily defeated'.

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    Re: Would you support this as 'common sense' gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I don't see it as a flaw like you do. I can wait three days to get my gun. Nor do I have a problem registering with DHS and the FBI when I buy photo chemicals.
    You dont see the violation of the rights of the law abiding as a 'flaw'?

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    Re: Would you support this as 'common sense' gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    If "easily defeated" is your argument, then you cannot support any gun control at all, as it is all 'easily defeated'.
    Have you read any of my arguments ever? Since when have I supported gun "control"? The whole of it's a bad idea. In fact in this thread itself I said as far as I could go would be an immediate check to see if someone is a felon or not; other than that there should be nothing.

    Also, there should be no restriction on gun "assault rifle" or fully automatic or any of it.
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    Re: Would you support this as 'common sense' gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You dont see the violation of the rights of the law abiding as a 'flaw'?
    I don't see 72 hours as a violation of rights. You can still get your gun.

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    Re: Would you support this as 'common sense' gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I don't see 72 hours as a violation of rights
    A right delayed is not a right denied?

    What if the police were able to get a warrant 72 hours after they tapped your telephone, or searched your house?

    What if the state was able to force you to asnwer their questions for 72 hours before they allowed you to NOT answer their questions under the 5th amendment?

    What about the much-discussed prior-restraint parallel created by the check itself?

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    Re: Would you support this as 'common sense' gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    A right delayed is not a right denied?

    What if the police were able to get a warrant 72 hours after they tapped your telephone, or searched your house?

    What if the state was able to force you to asnwer their questions for 72 hours before they allowed you to NOT answer their questions under the 5th amendment?

    What about the much-discussed prior-restraint parallel created by the check itself?

    I think you have the answers to all your own questions.

    If there is a Constitutional limit on felons possessing fire arms I see no infringement on the common citizens rights to make sure they are not felon.

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    Re: Would you support this as 'common sense' gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I think you have the answers to all your own questions.
    Indeed, I do -- you dont want to have to defend your argument that a 72 hour delay of the exercise of a right is a not a violation of said right.

    If there is a Constitutional limit on felons possessing fire arms I see no infringement on the common citizens rights to make sure they are not felon.
    You cannot prohibit someone from exercising their rights on the grounds that they -might- be committing a crime, allowing them only to exercise that roght -after- you determine that they are not commiting said crime.
    This is called prior restraint, and is unconstitutional.

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    Re: Would you support this as 'common sense' gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Pursuant to my conversation with Tucker...

    In order to stop criminals from illegally buying guns in a manner that does NOT infringe on the rights of the law abiding, I argue that, upon conviction, the state should tattoo a large red F on their foreheads.

    In alternate, I would have a similar F placed onto their driver's license, as part of the background behind the personal information, in a manner plainly visible to anyone looking at it.

    Other letters may be used to denote other legal handicaps, as necessary.

    This would prevent criminals from getting guns (from gun dealers, anyway)
    This would not infringe on the rights of the law abiding.

    Would you support this as 'common sense' gun control?
    If not, why not?

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    I used to think that felons should not be allowed to purchase fire arms after they serve their time and get out of prison. So as long as a individual served his time in prison he should not be denied his 2nd amendment rights.Technically that individual would not be a criminal anymore once he finished serving his time behind bars, he would be a law abiding citizen. I could maybe see attaching a waiting period as part of someone' punishment and requiring IDs and driver's licenses to show that individual must wait a certain number of years or months before being able to purchase fire arms.
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    Re: Would you support this as 'common sense' gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Indeed, I do -- you dont want to have to defend your argument that a 72 hour delay of the exercise of a right is a not a violation of said right.


    You cannot prohibit someone from exercising their rights on the grounds that they -might- be committing a crime, allowing them only to exercise that roght -after- you determine that they are not commiting said crime.
    This is called prior restraint, and is unconstitutional.
    Buy all the guns you want to as long as you are not a felon. Giving three days to check records is not a violation of your rights. Unless you think felons with criminal records have a right to buy guns. There are 50 states with various sytems!!!!!

    Do you agree or disagree that it is Constitutional for felons being bared from purchasing fire arms?

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