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    Re: Is there a problem with propaganda and brainwashing in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    YES, there IS brainwashing in this country. But there isn't enough to diminish the likes of the OP's messages out of our hair..
    I am not going to answer you whole thread because I agree with much of what you are saying.. But what the heck is "OP"? I as a foreigner have no idea, but assume its "our president"?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    But in so doing they left Americans open to being manipulated by others and now look at the crap that has sprung up.
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    I think there is also a danger about manipulation of the people through the media by political administration, we have obviously been seeing this the last 8 years. That is my biggest concern right now concerning "brainwashing and propaganda".. It empowers the governments in an unhealthy way.
    We also have this form of manipulation in my country, but less severe since we have 4 large parties and several with a 5%+ vote. But it is about to create a two sided view in politics and has ruined the election process and peoples understanding of politics, which I believe also is happening in the US. They watch politics for entertainment and scandals in my home country, which I find repulsive. Me personally I prefer to watch the live broadcasts from parliament when politicians challenges other politicians stands in a process which is under control and full of etiquette. Not the trash we get on regular tv, such a shame that live broadcasts are limited to only a few hours a week.
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    Re: Is there a problem with propaganda and brainwashing in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by rsixing View Post
    I hold to that old adage my grandfather told me in the early 60's, "don't believe anything you read and only half of what you see"...

    I always asked "why", people got angry at me for that.. I just never accepted anything unless they told me why, even as a 3 year old child.

    I still have this habit, even then I do not accept the explanations but keep chewing on it and always collect different perspectives. I had some troubles in "working" situations because of this habit, especially since I don't even give "bosses" a break on it
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    Re: Is there a problem with propaganda and brainwashing in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I have my doubts.. Brain-washing and propaganda are problems, but ones political party have little to do with this...

    What, exactly, gives you the idea that American so-called brain-washing is that much greater , or more effective than European ?? And I will not even go into Islamic brainwashing....
    Its so complicated that that is a very difficult question to answer. Probably because propaganda in the US is well hidden and far more complicated, while in Europe its more "obvious" and easier to spot.

    I don't see many poster boys in Europe for example who just rages on with some agenda that others have put in their heads, I do however see a more increasing trend in this area concerning blind forced agendas on people who are strongly opposed to or in favor of the EU, yet not a huge problem where everyone is drones of either for or against, like many people in the US are sheep's of the republican or democrat agenda with no opinions of their own, just opinions that have been pushed into their heads.
    I also believe this is more problematic for republicans than democrats..
    Then we obviously have the Jesus freaks that never actually questioned the actions of Jesus or his agenda and never took into consideration the facts that he tore down the foundations of the old testament and my personal belief(and probably others) that he lead people into sin for thousands of years. For example he is an anti-God and anti-ten commandments.. Yet people worship a man and his statues which is a sin in the two first commandments. I am pretty damn sure that Jesus was a wolf in lambs clothing.
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    Re: Is there a problem with propaganda and brainwashing in the US

    To answer your question: "No... I'm a Libertarian btw"

    More from Maximus, eh? This should be good.
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    Re: Is there a problem with propaganda and brainwashing in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    ...I don't see many poster boys in Europe for example who just rages on with some agenda that others have put in their heads...
    Have you so soon forgotten the Greek riots that spread throughout Europe a few weeks ago, because of an "agenda" that others had put into their heads?

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    Re: Is there a problem with propaganda and brainwashing in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by rsixing View Post
    I don't believe being lazy and letting others do your thinking for you, i.e. government/media, constitutes brainwashing.
    So you're the one !
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    Re: Is there a problem with propaganda and brainwashing in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Have you so soon forgotten the Greek riots that spread throughout Europe a few weeks ago, because of an "agenda" that others had put into their heads?
    Yep. This is one of the reasons I think a future military in Europe need to take care of "heavy police work" to let the police take care of police stuff. To avoid this type of escalation.
    These people have ruined stuff for tens or even hundreds of millions of Euro, they have damaged people and property, even killed, just because some youngster in Greece was killed by the police. But the reason for the strong reactions is the fact that Greece is very militaristic, I would say the most authoritarian state in Europe. Proven by the fact that they have 16 active military personnel per 1000 citizen, compared with other European nations at 3-5, and who knows how many active police. I couldn't find a number. Its sad to say but Greece is one of the most backward states in Europe, the students and the educated of the nation are in general terms rather extreme. Then what about the regular guy?

    Greece has been a counterargument of the EU. We haven't been able to life Greece, another less severe example is Portugal which we haven't been able to life either, but there is a reason, a country unwilling to change cant be lifted, and Greece is clearly a problem country in Europe, even one of the biggest problem countries in the west.
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    Re: Is there a problem with propaganda and brainwashing in the US

    My stance is two-fold.

    First, the liberal media no longer performs the original function of the press: to present objective information. There is always going to be a human element, but that's not the point. I no longer watch corporate media on t.v, and I only visit their websites to get the gist of a situation before going to other sources. They willingly lie through omission, especially when it comes to controversial issues. The problem is that the news is now run by corporate powers, and those corporate powers have executives who in turn have the authority to do what they want. Those powers even answer to government if the proper incentive is there.

    In Iraq, the press is not allowed to document what is going on freely as was done in Vietnam. The reason is that the government knows the full story will come back to the public and there will be protests. Now we have the added guise of "national security" which lets the government tell the press what it can and cannot air.

    Secondly, the state of the education system in the country is to blame. I look at somewhere like China, where I am currently living, and people here are not taught to think autonomously. They are given a template of values and told to emulate them. Then I think about somewhere like the U.S., which is better because of its constitutionality, and similar things still happen.

    People are taught to be so prideful of their country that their critical thinking is overridden. Middle class education in America is taught to prepare people for the work force, so obedience is key. Private schools for the rich teach the most creative thinking, because those will be the people running the show. Education, as a whole, does not teach critical thinking unless it is within the interest of a collective agenda.

    So the problem is two fold... the majority are taught to be functional members of society, not necessarily questioning members of society; and the media has already been bought and sold, so if you lack the critical thinking to see this, you will just accept the choices given to you instead of realizing there are even more choices to examine.

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