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    Cool Re: Is there a problem with propaganda and brainwashing in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post


    Its a very entertaining show.. So what? Why do you come to this thread with it?
    Bill Clinton's 400 cruise missiles, which the buildup to prompted the February 23, 1998 fatwa of Al Quacka, just days after Clinton first defined the Unholy Axis involving Iraq, which was left out of the BBC/HBO propaganda, like the total lack of any link between Iraq and the Fatwa's/911 (do not forget 1996, and the effect of the two defections), not to mention the magical "they" Saddam in response to 911 said, "should, rather, be reassured and helped to save themselves, and their surroundings," considering that the Biden/Lugar amendment limiting the authorization to disarming Saddam of WMD did not pass and the President was given a blank check for WAR, therefore, anyone with an unbrainwashed brain would have to concede, what was left out of the BBC/HBO propaganda and is history, may have made a difference with regard to Saddam's fate, and that demanded it.

    "Rome" was entertaining and the best show I have ever seen since Lesley Ann Warren wearing black lingerie in "79 Park Avenue." "House of Saddam" was clearly propaganda by omission of relevant facts.

    "About brainwashing and propaganda directed at the people of the US by their government and media."

    BBC and HBO fit the definition of "media." If you ignore the propaganda I can only conclude you are brainwashed. An example of propaganda, and clear brainwashing acceptance of it, is relevant to the topic.

    People have to pretty much be brain-dead not to be biased one way or another, so my poll is also relevant to the topic.
    Last edited by DivineComedy; 12-24-08 at 11:39 AM.

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    Re: Is there a problem with propaganda and brainwashing in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I am asking this question as a result of what I have seen on this forum, not what I saw when I was in the US, (which was a long time ago).

    I definetely concur that there are the same problems around the world, but by far most severe in the US.


    You for example dont seem to be brainwashed.
    YES, there IS brainwashing in this country. But there isn't enough to diminish the likes of the OP's messages out of our hair.

    Let's start with influences. Every entity which buys or commands time on the TV, Radio, news, drama shows, comedy shows and in print media ALL have something to sell.

    "Sell" as in commerce and sell as in promote.

    They are trying to influence us or sell us on the idea of doing something or thinking and acting a certain way.

    The successes of Madison Avenue techniques in selling toothpaste have lent themselves to selling candidates and points of view. The appeal to one's deepest beliefs and core values is one kind of commercial appeal, such as we saw in the late Hal Riney's spots for Reagan (It's morning in America).

    And yet the job of influencing the voters is made more difficult with our increasing sophistication with the media and the media process. Sometimes the effectiveness of a technique is diminished if we know it's a technique, though not always.

    Do co-eds know they are being seduced? Most of the time, yes. Do they stop the process as they could by saying, "No"? Often times, they do not. Why not? Because the process is enjoyable.

    It is pleasurable to be wooed even when you know it is a seduction in progress.

    I could go on and on and on, but the idea here is that we enjoy being brainwashed or influenced as long as it is done well. And if we do not influence our own people they will be influenced by people like the OP, who I wouldn't want anywhere near any impressionable Americans. But due to the internet and free expression his access to them and their access to him and thousands like him who have no love for the USA is inescapable.

    Therefore, the impressionable 'youts' (My Cousin Vinny) of this country are losing all sense of OUR culture because we are open to experiencing the propaganda and brainwashing of all other sorts of miscreants and 'maladapts'. The only way to keep America safe from these influences is to try to promote in OUR culture those values and ideals that serve America's interests and not those of other nations and cultures.

    If anyone wants to fault the Bush administration for something, I believe this is THE SINGULAR MAJOR FAILING of the administration's entire 8 years.

    They neglected the matter of communication to our own people of our own message. They put our governmental propaganda and brainwashing on neutral so that no one could accuse them of being Big Brother. But in so doing they left Americans open to being manipulated by others and now look at the crap that has sprung up.

    Although, I suppose it could be worse.

    I won't say how it could be worse for fear of inspiring those who might try to make it so.

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    Re: Is there a problem with propaganda and brainwashing in the US

    I don't believe being lazy and letting others do your thinking for you, i.e. government/media, constitutes brainwashing.

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    Re: Is there a problem with propaganda and brainwashing in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by rsixing View Post
    I don't believe being lazy and letting others do your thinking for you, i.e. government/media, constitutes brainwashing.
    so true.....
    the work ethic needs to include thinking skills...
    I was born with extra skepticism, starting doubting adults way early. You can take that too far, tho, and get a little too militant, as I did. That is probaby why I was targeted for "early retirement".
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    Re: Is there a problem with propaganda and brainwashing in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    so true.....
    the work ethic needs to include thinking skills...
    I was born with extra skepticism, starting doubting adults way early. You can take that too far, tho, and get a little too militant, as I did. That is probaby why I was targeted for "early retirement".
    Until the internet we were all subjected to the overwhelming influences of TV, Film, Radio, Print media and each other in personal experience.

    There are still people who are not internet denizens and you can tell who they are after a few moments of hearing or watching them speak on the subject of politics.

    For example, Bill O'Reilly isn't an internet guy at all. Jon Stewart is.

    Anyway, people are used to absorbing culture and cultural shifts through passive means. Only since the advent of the internet has active education been realistic on an instantaneous and mass basis.

    And even then the people who are not smart enough or critically thinking skilled enough still get it wrong. Just as diners can go to an all you can eat cafeteria and choose all the "wrong" foods to eat.
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    Re: Is there a problem with propaganda and brainwashing in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    so true.....
    the work ethic needs to include thinking skills...
    I was born with extra skepticism, starting doubting adults way early. You can take that too far, tho, and get a little too militant, as I did. That is probaby why I was targeted for "early retirement".
    I hold to that old adage my grandfather told me in the early 60's, "don't believe anything you read and only half of what you see"...


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    Re: Is there a problem with propaganda and brainwashing in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    The only thing I see related to brainwashing is allowing our kids to quit school while still ignorant. A certain level of education is essential if they are to be able to sift truth from all the chaff out there.
    I don't think that qualifies. Our schools for the most part are pretty bad at teaching the one skill they are suppose to: critical thinking. And this extends well into higher learning. I knew people from both College Republicans/Democrats who were frankly, mindless sheep who couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag in a debate. Some morons still thought that Reagan was a fiscal conservative and Democrats praised cradle to grave socialism. It's quite disturbing how poorly our education system here teaches the one key trait people need in life. Kids are ignorant and more schooling at least here won't solve that.
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    Re: Is there a problem with propaganda and brainwashing in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I am asking this question as a result of what I have seen on this forum, not what I saw when I was in the US, (which was a long time ago).

    I definitely concur that there are the same problems around the world, but by far most severe in the US.As an American, to this, I say "male bovine feces".


    You for example don't seem to be brainwashed.
    I have my doubts.. Brain-washing and propaganda are problems, but ones political party have little to do with this...

    What, exactly, gives you the idea that American so-called brain-washing is that much greater , or more effective than European ?? And I will not even go into Islamic brainwashing....

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    Re: Is there a problem with propaganda and brainwashing in the US

    Quote Originally Posted by DivineComedy View Post
    Bill Clinton's 400 cruise missiles, which the buildup to prompted the February 23, 1998 fatwa of Al Quacka, just days after Clinton first defined the Unholy Axis involving Iraq, which was left out of the BBC/HBO propaganda, like the total lack of any link between Iraq and the Fatwa's/911 (do not forget 1996, and the effect of the two defections), not to mention the magical "they" Saddam in response to 911 said, "should, rather, be reassured and helped to save themselves, and their surroundings," considering that the Biden/Lugar amendment limiting the authorization to disarming Saddam of WMD did not pass and the President was given a blank check for WAR, therefore, anyone with an unbrainwashed brain would have to concede, what was left out of the BBC/HBO propaganda and is history, may have made a difference with regard to Saddam's fate, and that demanded it.

    "Rome" was entertaining and the best show I have ever seen since Lesley Ann Warren wearing black lingerie in "79 Park Avenue." "House of Saddam" was clearly propaganda by omission of relevant facts.

    "About brainwashing and propaganda directed at the people of the US by their government and media."

    BBC and HBO fit the definition of "media." If you ignore the propaganda I can only conclude you are brainwashed. An example of propaganda, and clear brainwashing acceptance of it, is relevant to the topic.

    People have to pretty much be brain-dead not to be biased one way or another, so my poll is also relevant to the topic.
    Many things in the show is unfactual. The show in general takes a very pro-us "justified attack" look at things and forget to mention the reasons the US went in, the failure to come up with evidence after the invasion and the misery the US invasion has caused(like how Iraq is not the third most failed state in the world and water infrastructure and similar things is in ruin). Yet I don't complain, because its a TV show, entertainment show.


    Rome was FANTASTIC. I also suggest "deadwood" if you haven't seen it, another fabulous show. My two personal favorites by HBO.


    I do agree with you that its relevant, entertainment shows, movies and all such things a propped with propaganda. Like no homeless people in the streets in movies pain a very unrealistic picture, I found the frequency of homeless people and obnoxious hoes in the street shocking when I came to the US.
    Last edited by Maximus Zeebra; 12-24-08 at 06:39 PM.
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