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    Re: Why did God create the rest of the universe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    How will finding intelligent life end the theological v scientific quarrels?
    If we were to find another civilzation, our own beliefs if correct concerning creation should at least have some thing in common with any beliefs they may hold. But lets say this civilization is much older than ours and when we mention God they scratch their heads and say who????? Never heard of him.

    That would defintitly throw a monkey wrench in the whole works for us creationists. But if they actually have spiritual beliefs that are in some way similar to ours it could add a whole new demension to our own spiritual beliefs

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    True, but...
    An infinite universe has an infinite number of intelligent species.
    But the universe is not infinite. The big bang had a starting point and somewhere out there is the outer edge of the expanding universe. But I do agree with you that yes there could be numerous forms of intelligent out there. Infinite or not it is still a very very big place. I am just not as convinced of it as I used to be

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    ...here on earth.
    The bible seems to indicate that God created The universe and put man here saying we are the crowning achievement of that creation. Again that interpretation could be wrong and maybe you are correct that it only means on this planet. It would not be the first time that we misunderstood something in the bible.

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    Re: Why did God create the rest of the universe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Alright so I'm reading this book on the universe. Apparently it's huge. Millions of planets, stars and hundreds of galaxies and celestial bodies and in between them nothing but light years of nothing. It's got me thinking. If God created all of this why did he create it? Why would he create such a big playground knowing we'd be using less then 1% of it. I'm sure there must be at least ONE other habitable planet in this universe but the chances of finding it are small. At least from what I've read. So I've been wondering. Why did God create such a large 'environment' for us to live in knowing we'd likely never see most of it? I've traveled around the world and I've seen many places and I know why humans create buildings, roads, agricultural fields, hospitals and everything else they build. It's because they're going to use it and they want their children to use it. But we're not really 'using the universe'. We're using 'one' planet in that universe leaving the rest of it virgin and unexplored. So what was the point in creating such a large place for a creation that would never use it? I don't want any bible references just your honest ideas.

    Hate to say it but it may even be much bigger and more complex than that!
    There are a few Astronomers and Physicists that are now leaning toward:

    Black Holes in our universe are actually Big Bangs for a new smaller universe.
    The Big Bang for our universe is actually a Black Hole for a much larger universe......as if the universe wasn't mind boggling enough.

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    Re: Why did God create the rest of the universe?

    I often wonder why an omniscient, ominpresent, all powerful being would do anything at all. Doing seems to imply effort to effect some kind of change, and the motivation to make changes indicates some kind of dissatisfaction or yearning. Why create anything? We do it because we strive. Why does God do it?

    Why would God be any more interested in us than in the rest of his creation? Frankly, I think we'd have to be pretty uninteresting to a god who operates on the scale of the Christian God. After all, How intersting is bacteria to us, other than our fascination with evolution and our striving to avoid being sick. The Christian conception of god doesn't allow for a being who needs to discover anything. We certainly don't love bacteria, the way god supposedly loves us. Why would we, and why would he?

    When god was Zeus, he was for more interesting, and far more likely to be interested in us every once in a while. But, the Christian desire to make god into this eternal, all-knowing, all-powerful being satisfied their desire for God to be a completely undefeatable being, but destroyed any motivation that he would even think about us.

    It is an incredible ego trip that such a being would, beyond all reason, think we are important. It is one of seductions of Christian thought... of all the memes contained therein, the one that most assures it's survival, despite the inherent illogic. People like thinking they're important on a grand scale.

    It all boils down to: When man conceived of Christianity he was flattering himself.
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    Re: Why did God create the rest of the universe?

    Nobody(I sure don't) wants to believe that when we pass that's it. Thats all we get. We could have had a long good life, or a short bad life. That was the luck of the draw.

    Actually quite sad to think of it that way.

    My thinking is...because of the infinite of the past...did God create the big bang? etc. I cannot rule out the possibility of there being a God. And I don't believe it will ever be possible for humans to know for sure until we meet our demise, some extra terrestrials come down and have a conference and tell us the scoop, or God himself lets it be known (again?).

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    Re: Why did God create the rest of the universe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I often wonder why an omniscient, ominpresent, all powerful being would do anything at all. Doing seems to imply effort to effect some kind of change, and the motivation to make changes indicates some kind of dissatisfaction or yearning. Why create anything? We do it because we strive. Why does God do it?

    Why would God be any more interested in us than in the rest of his creation? Frankly, I think we'd have to be pretty uninteresting to a god who operates on the scale of the Christian God. After all, How intersting is bacteria to us, other than our fascination with evolution and our striving to avoid being sick. The Christian conception of god doesn't allow for a being who needs to discover anything. We certainly don't love bacteria, the way god supposedly loves us. Why would we, and why would he?

    When god was Zeus, he was for more interesting, and far more likely to be interested in us every once in a while. But, the Christian desire to make god into this eternal, all-knowing, all-powerful being satisfied their desire for God to be a completely undefeatable being, but destroyed any motivation that he would even think about us.

    It is an incredible ego trip that such a being would, beyond all reason, think we are important. It is one of seductions of Christian thought... of all the memes contained therein, the one that most assures it's survival, despite the inherent illogic. People like thinking they're important on a grand scale.

    It all boils down to: When man conceived of Christianity he was flattering himself.

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    Re: Why did God create the rest of the universe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Alright so I'm reading this book on the universe. Apparently it's huge. Millions of planets, stars and hundreds of galaxies and celestial bodies and in between them nothing but light years of nothing. It's got me thinking. If God created all of this why did he create it? Why would he create such a big playground knowing we'd be using less then 1% of it. I'm sure there must be at least ONE other habitable planet in this universe but the chances of finding it are small. At least from what I've read. So I've been wondering. Why did God create such a large 'environment' for us to live in knowing we'd likely never see most of it? I've traveled around the world and I've seen many places and I know why humans create buildings, roads, agricultural fields, hospitals and everything else they build. It's because they're going to use it and they want their children to use it. But we're not really 'using the universe'. We're using 'one' planet in that universe leaving the rest of it virgin and unexplored. So what was the point in creating such a large place for a creation that would never use it? I don't want any bible references just your honest ideas.
    Because he need planets out in space where he could put the intelligent species, since there is no room for them on Earth.

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    Re: Why did God create the rest of the universe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I often wonder why an omniscient, ominpresent, all powerful being would do anything at all. Doing seems to imply effort to effect some kind of change, and the motivation to make changes indicates some kind of dissatisfaction or yearning. Why create anything? We do it because we strive. Why does God do it?
    That YOU cannot concieve of a reason doesnt in any way mean there isnt a reason.

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    Re: Why did God create the rest of the universe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    ROFLOL!

    How can we know, we can only measure it against our selves and our limitations!

    To a bacterium, even if there were a pretty bright one, my house is colossal.


    So many of our concepts rely on ourselves for context.
    Whos to say that we arent bacterias to other "larger" lifeforms.

    And a little follow up.. Is the earth a life form?
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    Re: Why did God create the rest of the universe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    As an amusing side note, in a science fiction trilogy, that "empty space" was the more important part of the universe where higher life forms lived, while stars and planets were interruptions in "deep heaven" where lower life forms dwelt.
    What is the trilogy's name?

    Unrelated to that quote, my opinion is that in the future we may occupy more and more of the universe. Not anytime soon but... It is possible.

    We'll ride the spiral to the end, and may just go where no ones been.
    Spiral out. Keep going.

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    Re: Why did God create the rest of the universe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tecumseh1 View Post
    What is the trilogy's name?

    Unrelated to that quote, my opinion is that in the future we may occupy more and more of the universe. Not anytime soon but... It is possible.
    The series does not have an official unifying name. it is often called The Space Trilogy though.
    • Out of the Silent Planet (1938), set mostly on Mars
    • Perelandra (1943), set mostly on Venus.
    • That Hideous Strength, set in Earth in the late 1950's
    Fabulous quote from the third book:
    "Odd thing it is--the word 'experiment' is unpopular, but not the word 'experimental.' You must'nt experiment on children; but offer the dear little kiddies free education in an experimental school attached to the N.I.C.E.* and it's all correct!"
    *National Institute for Coordinated Experiments

    Lewis of course was a famous Christian Apologist, and the flavor of the books contain reflect his belief in the Universality of that Faith. For instance, on Venus a drop ofhuman blood is fascinating thing, as it is seen as the substance by which Maledil (God) has begun the redemption of Thulcandra (Earth.)

    Interestingly, your image of man expanding across the Cosmos is seen as a horror by Lewis.

    Finally, in a nod to his friend JRR Tolkien, CS Lewis works references to Tolkien's ancient land of Nuemenor into the third book.
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