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Thread: Polygamy: Why not?

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    Re: Polygamy: Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    As anyone familiar with the gay marriage threads knows, polygamy is often brought up to test the logical consistency of a given argument and identify what, if anything, would justify keeping polygamy illegal in a world where consenting adults can enter in any contract they wish.

    I personally have never possessed nor read a strong argument against polygamy, and I become confused when some pro-gm folks would not also support polygamy, as such individuals can never articulate their reasons.

    This thread does not need to involve gay marriage at all. I actually believe we could have a better discussion if gay marriage were included as little as passable.

    I invite anyone with strong objections or support of polygamy to make their arguments known.

    • Do you think legalized polygamy in society would affect you in any way? If so, in what way and to what degree?
    • Do you think polygamy could help lower the divorce, juvenile crime or runaway rates; or improve academic performance?
    • If you can argue the polygamy brings increased economic security, how would polygamy affect the abortion rate?

    Those are just a few questions to get your thoughts moving, please feel free to make any argument you wish.
    On the surface - I truly don't care.

    But when I start to think of the trickle-down effects it would have, I consider it a can of worms best left shelved. Not that it's wrong - but that it would lead to many other smaller issues.

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    Re: Polygamy: Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Gots to have a dream, man. FantasyLand isn't just a place for Disney characters....
    well when I run for Office of any kind, I'll give you a ring. I need dreamers like you, sir.

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    Re: Polygamy: Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    That reason makes no sense to me. We're not guaranteed a mate, and we most certainly aren't guaranteed a marriage. And we are nowhere near guaranteed a marriage that will work.
    Just because we aren't "guaranteed" marriage doesn't mean we should define it in such a way that will inevitably create a large surplus of unmarried males.



    You keep asking me for a good reason to keep it illegal, but what I don't get is, what reason is there for making it legal?

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    Re: Polygamy: Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Just because we aren't "guaranteed" marriage doesn't mean we should define it in such a way that will inevitably create a large surplus of unmarried males.
    Maybe it will make men work harder.



    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    You keep asking me for a good reason to keep it illegal, but what I don't get is, what reason is there for making it legal?
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    Re: Polygamy: Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Maybe it will make men work harder.
    Hard work doesn't always get you a wife, and plenty of bums still get married.


    American Citizens are believed to be entitled to:
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    That's way more general than specific. I don't believe that laws should be changed unless there's a clear reason why it would be beneficial to do so; adherence to a blanket ideology like libertarianism is not a valid reason in itself.

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    Re: Polygamy: Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    On the surface - I truly don't care.

    But when I start to think of the trickle-down effects it would have, I consider it a can of worms best left shelved. Not that it's wrong - but that it would lead to many other smaller issues.

    Is it worth the headache? No.

    You've summed up how I feel about gay marriage.

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    Re: Polygamy: Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Hard work doesn't always get you a wife, and plenty of bums still get married.
    Life isn't fair, **** happens. Good for them.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    That's way more general than specific. I don't believe that laws should be changed unless there's a clear reason why it would be beneficial to do so; adherence to a blanket ideology like libertarianism is not a valid reason in itself.

    It was important enough to be put into the Declaration of Independence...sooo...If you can think of any more of an American document that would suggest otherwise, let me hear it.

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    Re: Polygamy: Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    Life isn't fair, **** happens. Good for them.
    Well, it would be one thing if the drawback was balanced out with some benefit... but nobody's really argued about any benefits for legalized polygamy, they've only argued that "people should be able to do it".



    It was important enough to be put into the Declaration of Independence...sooo...If you can think of any more of an American document that would suggest otherwise, let me hear it.
    For one thing, I highly doubt Thomas Jefferson wanted polygamy to be legalized... I won't take that line of defense though because I can't prove it.


    "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" are extremely vague and as I already said, more general than specific; the only people who argue that the terms advocate a libertarian position are, well, libertarians. Even if you were to use libertarian assumption that "liberty" and the "pusuit of happiness" mean getting to do whatever the hell you want if it doesn't infringe on the rights of others, you could argue that legalized polygamy does infringe on the rights of many people by creating the imbalance which I mentioned.


    I don't use those assumptions though. I simply think that change for change's sake is irresponsible and could lead to unintended consequences, so if a law is to be reversed, there should be some clear benefit to reversing it. So far I have yet to hear about any benefits to reversing polygamy laws.
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    Re: Polygamy: Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Well, it would be one thing if the drawback was balanced out with some benefit... but nobody's really argued about any benefits for legalized polygamy, they've only argued that "people should be able to do it".





    For one thing, I highly doubt Thomas Jefferson wanted polygamy to be legalized... I won't take that line of defense though because I can't prove it.


    "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" are extremely vague and as I already said, more general than specific; the only people who argue that the terms advocate a libertarian position are, well, libertarians. Even if you were to use libertarian assumption that "liberty" and the "pusuit of happiness" mean getting to do whatever the hell you want if it doesn't infringe on the rights of others, you could argue that legalized polygamy does infringe on the rights of many people by creating the imbalance which I mentioned.


    I don't use those assumptions though. I simply think that change for change's sake is irresponsible and could lead to unintended consequences, so if a law is to be reversed, there should be some clear benefit to reversing it. So far I have yet to hear about any benefits to reversing polygamy laws.

    How can you honestly argue a male to female ratio being a good reason to not have polygamy...That might be considered if EVERYONE was getting married...but...I just don't see its relevance. That's just adding more useless **** to the list of things we're "entitled" to or things that "ought to be fair".

    Life. Isn't. Fair.


    And I don't see why all these things people want legalized can't even be given a chance, all we do is speculate, one way or the other. We'll never know until we try.


    also, Thomas Jefferson knocked up a slave girl. How's that for monogamy?

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    Re: Polygamy: Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    How can you honestly argue a male to female ratio being a good reason to not have polygamy...That might be considered if EVERYONE was getting married...but...I just don't see its relevance. That's just adding more useless **** to the list of things we're "entitled" to or things that "ought to be fair".

    Life. Isn't. Fair.
    Nobody is saying that anyone should be "entitled" to marriage, I just happen to think that a high unmarried male:female ratio would be a bad thing for society in general, and you don't seem to disagree.

    It might be justified if legalized polygamy actually had benefits, but nobody's really argued that it does.

    And I don't see why all these things people want legalized can't even be given a chance, all we do is speculate, one way or the other. We'll never know until we try.
    The "you never know until you try" argument could be used for criminalization too, and I don't buy it. If we're going to change our legal code, there should be an actual reason why doing so would be a good thing.

    also, Thomas Jefferson knocked up a slave girl. How's that for monogamy?
    He didn't marry her, so....

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