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Thread: Polygamy: Why not?

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    Re: Polygamy: Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Ding, ding, ding!! That is exactly where I got this from!! I think Friday was the one that was most explicit about it although the Number of the Beast and the Cat who Walks through Walls were pretty open about it as well. I did add the time-limit thing myself.

    The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is my favorite book of all time and I keep hearing they are going to make a movie...
    Ah, I suspected so. Heinlein was always deep and thought-provoking, even in the novels he considered his "juveniles". Still, over time he did not prove to be much of an oracle about actual future events. Not that I think good science-fiction writers have to be, just that I know people who practically revere RAH as a prophet.

    There is a certain appeal to the idea; the continuity and safety in numbers. Sometimes the modern "nuclear family" seems a little lonely and isolated.

    My own extended family is relatively tight, twenty of us total counting the kids and most of us live within 30 minutes drive. Last week my sister and BIL drove me to the hospital for an emergency appendectomy, and stayed with me all day long, since they were the closest available family (and my son doesn't drive yet, etc.). That's not unusual for us... but I know of families where brothers haven't spoken on the phone for ten years, nobody lives in the same state and each "nucleus" faces everything alone... I could see the appeal.

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    Re: Polygamy: Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    There is a certain appeal to the idea; the continuity and safety in numbers. Sometimes the modern "nuclear family" seems a little lonely and isolated.
    I think we'll see the "nuclear family" redefined or replaced soon.

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    Re: Polygamy: Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    What sense does that make? Where does the ratio come in to play?
    Unequal gender ration in marriages = certain population of one gender left in the dust. I'm pretty sure this has been true with every polygamous society, plus it's just common sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    I think we'll see the "nuclear family" redefined or replaced soon.
    ...And I don't. But I'm curious, what makes you think that we will?

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    Re: Polygamy: Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    I think we'll see the "nuclear family" redefined or replaced soon.
    With what the stone age family?

    /sarcasm

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    Re: Polygamy: Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Unequal gender ration in marriages = certain population of one gender left in the dust. I'm pretty sure this has been true with every polygamous society, plus it's just common sense.
    These are from my earlier post:

    About 78% of human societies are polygynous, in which some men marry more than one wife.

    -Murdock, George Peter. Ethnographic Atlas.

    Only 22% of societies are strictly monogamous. No modern societies are polyandrous, in which one woman marries several husbands (not counting extramarital sex, and a poor region of India and Tibet where women marry brothers because the work of several men is needed to provide resources to raise a family). Only 3% of mammal species in general are monogamous, although at least 15% of primate species are.

    -Insel, T.R., Winslow, J.T., Wang, X., Young, L.J. "Oxytocin, Vasopressin, and the Neuroendocrine Basis of Pair Bond Formation," in Vasopressin and Oxytocin: Molecular, Cellular, and Clinical Advances, (Plenum, 1998, ISBN 0-306-45928-0), p. 217.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    ...And I don't. But I'm curious, what makes you think that we will?
    The ever increasing trend of older people moving back in with their elderly parents, increases in extended families living together, the increase in divorce and repeat divorce rates, increase in publica acceptance of single parents. In general society is shifting as a whole in terms of relationships. We're beginning to open up to new ideas instead of the same old stereotypes and norms.
    Last edited by EpicDude86; 11-11-09 at 08:40 PM. Reason: edito burrito

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    Re: Polygamy: Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    With what the stone age family?

    /sarcasm
    You'll only find those on Boomerang

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    Re: Polygamy: Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    You'll only find those on Boomerang
    Have you met the Flinstones the modern stone age family?

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    Re: Polygamy: Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Ah, I suspected so. Heinlein was always deep and thought-provoking, even in the novels he considered his "juveniles". Still, over time he did not prove to be much of an oracle about actual future events. Not that I think good science-fiction writers have to be, just that I know people who practically revere RAH as a prophet.

    There is a certain appeal to the idea; the continuity and safety in numbers. Sometimes the modern "nuclear family" seems a little lonely and isolated.

    My own extended family is relatively tight, twenty of us total counting the kids and most of us live within 30 minutes drive. Last week my sister and BIL drove me to the hospital for an emergency appendectomy, and stayed with me all day long, since they were the closest available family (and my son doesn't drive yet, etc.). That's not unusual for us... but I know of families where brothers haven't spoken on the phone for ten years, nobody lives in the same state and each "nucleus" faces everything alone... I could see the appeal.
    Thanks for sharing about your family. Sounds great. We have been an extended family that has scattered to the winds. I personally lived in Charlotte, NC, Alexandria, VA, San Diego, CA, Boston, MA, Seattle, WA, before coming back to VA. I moved back here to be close to my sister and her family - youngsters growing up and all. Parents are in SC, but come visit a lot. It's better now being here.

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    Re: Polygamy: Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by EpicDude86 View Post
    These are from my earlier post:

    About 78% of human societies are polygynous, in which some men marry more than one wife.

    -Murdock, George Peter. Ethnographic Atlas.

    Only 22% of societies are strictly monogamous. No modern societies are polyandrous, in which one woman marries several husbands (not counting extramarital sex, and a poor region of India and Tibet where women marry brothers because the work of several men is needed to provide resources to raise a family). Only 3% of mammal species in general are monogamous, although at least 15% of primate species are.

    -Insel, T.R., Winslow, J.T., Wang, X., Young, L.J. "Oxytocin, Vasopressin, and the Neuroendocrine Basis of Pair Bond Formation," in Vasopressin and Oxytocin: Molecular, Cellular, and Clinical Advances, (Plenum, 1998, ISBN 0-306-45928-0), p. 217.
    What does this have to do with what I said?

    And FYI, just because 78% of societies are polygynous doesn't mean that 78% of the population is.

    The ever increasing trend of older people moving back in with their elderly parents, increases in extended families living together, the increase in divorce and repeat divorce rates, increase in publica acceptance of single parents. In general society is shifting as a whole in terms of relationships. We're beginning to open up to new ideas instead of the same old stereotypes and norms.
    This is certainly happening in Europe, which is why the whole region is likely to be Muslim-dominated within a few generations. It's happened in America to some extent, sure, but not enough to destroy the "nuclear family" to the extent that it has been done in Europe. In any case, with the exception of extended families living together (has this really increased? I was under the impression that it is happening less than in the past), most Americans are worried about these trends and many want to pursue policies to attempt to reverse them.

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    Re: Polygamy: Why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Have you met the Flinstones the modern stone age family?
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