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Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

  • Yes we will see them and they are justified.

    Votes: 3 6.3%

  • Yes we will see them but they will not be justified.

    Votes: 4 8.3%

  • No we will not see them but they would have been justified.

    Votes: 14 29.2%

  • No we will not see them and they would not have been justified.

    Votes: 27 56.3%
  • Total voters
    48
ADK_Forever said:
They lied through their teeth.
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Who "lied?" .....

"If Saddam defies the world and we fail to respond, we will face a farg greater threat in the future. Saddam will strike again at his neighbors. He will make war on his own people. And mark my words, he will develop weapons of mass destruction. He will deploy them, and he will use them."

Considering such bold assertions and the dramatic show of force, many might think this could only have been George W. Bush in March 2003. But it was actually Bill Clinton, more than four years earlier.

I realize that you wish to dismiss such history in favor for pretending that this "lie" was a Bush invention thereby protecting your partisan argument, but the truth is that this history began in 1991. And since Clinton had entered office, Hussein had been a constant irritant for American policy-makers, doing his best to skirt obligations placed on him by the United Nations resolutions and to break the will of the fragile international consencus supporting them.

Complain, bitch, moan, and complain all you want, but the truth goes back further than a Bush vision for a Saddam-less Middle East.
 
GySgt said:
Who "lied?" .....
Complain, bitch, moan, and complain all you want, but the truth goes back further than a Bush vision for a Saddam-less Middle East.
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The TRUTH goes back to when dubya and dickie and rummy took office. They started calculating how they could invade Iraq from day 1! 9/11 answered their prayers. They lied to invade Iraq and the true reason had nothing to do with 9/11.

I'm surprised that you, as a military man, are not incensed at this.

They lied and were irresponsible with the power we entrusted them with. I pray Obama grows a pair and goes after them. However, I am realistic...
 
ADK_Forever said:
The TRUTH goes back to when dubya and dickie and rummy took office. They started calculating how they could invade Iraq from day 1! 9/11 answered their prayers. They lied to invade Iraq and the true reason had nothing to do with 9/11.
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That the administration SO FULLY took advantage of 9-11 that it could almost be seen as a piece of circumstantial evidence to the administrations involvement in the attacks.
 
Pity the poor neocon's!

All they have left is this Gaza war to get warm and fuzzy again.

Pity the Poor Neocons
By Robert Parry January 2, 2009

As bloody and grotesque as Israel’s pounding of Gaza has been, it marks a bitterly disappointing end for seven-plus years of neoconservative dominion over U.S. foreign policy, a period that was supposed to conclude with the dismantling of Israel’s Muslim enemies in the region.
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History is about to write the final chapter on these true American terrorists from the Project for a New American Century and it is not good. As we look back on what the neocon's have done to this country, that country, the world and everything inbetween, it can all be summed up in one word.............DESTROYED!

Neocon's have destroyed:
  • Iraq
  • Afganistan
  • US economy
  • Global economy
  • US reputation around the world
  • the Justice Dept
  • our heritage
  • our values
  • the sacrifices we made in other wars to stop aggression
  • freedom of speech
  • our Constitution
  • the Republican Party
  • democracy as we knew it
  • honest debates
  • this thread
The list just goes on and on of their shock and awful way of viewing American power and the un-American way that it should be used. Even though they are such bad liars, I feel sorry for them and their dwindling sphere of inluence.

Contrary to those neocon plans, George W. Bush is limping toward a historical judgment as possibly “the worst President ever”; U.S. power is waning in Iraq under a “status-of-forces agreement” that is showing the Americans the door by 2011 if not earlier; and key neocon targets – Iran, Syria and Hezbollah in Lebanon – have gained in regional influence.

All the neocons have left now is to cheer the Israeli air force as it, in effect, shoots fish in a barrel, i.e. blasting away at selected Palestinian targets inside the crowded confines of Gaza, killing more than 400 people, including many children and other civilians, over the past week.

In 2001, especially after 9/11, the neocon dreams were so much more ambitious. The neocons planned to achieve “regime change” in all Middle Eastern countries that were perceived as threats to Israel and replace them with compliant, pro-Western leaders
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However, their vision was a little too despotic to come to fruitition.
First on the list was Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, which was a center for Arab nationalism and an advocate for resisting Israeli occupation of Palestinian land. Since Iraq was too strong – and too far from the effective reach of the Israeli military – U.S. forces would be needed to conquer Iraq.

After that, Iraq was supposed to become the staging area for projecting American power across the region, with the governments of Iran and Syria the next targets.

A favorite neocon joke in 2003 was whether after capturing Baghdad, U.S. forces should go east or west, to either Damascus or Tehran, with the punch line: “Real men go to Tehran.” Of course, unlike American soldiers, the neocons weren’t really going anywhere, except to the next AEI conference or a Georgetown cocktail party.

By replacing the governments of Iran and Syria, the neocons would knock out the support structure for Israel’s two most immediate threats, Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in the Palestinian territories. Then, with Israel – aided by some Arab allies – finishing off those two weakened militant groups, Israel could dictate terms of a final settlement to the Palestinians.
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I said years ago neocon's were mentally incapable of handling public office, it's nice to see the rest of the country has finally caught up.
 
ADK_Forever said:
The TRUTH goes back to when dubya and dickie and rummy took office. They started calculating how they could invade Iraq from day 1! 9/11 answered their prayers. They lied to invade Iraq and the true reason had nothing to do with 9/11.

I'm surprised that you, as a military man, are not incensed at this.

They lied and were irresponsible with the power we entrusted them with. I pray Obama grows a pair and goes after them. However, I am realistic...
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I'm surprised that people like you are so far gone you believe the crap you're spewing, to the point you can't even acknowledge that someone who was there may know just a little more than you do. Such a cute little partisan.:2brickwal
 
BmanMcfly said:
That the administration SO FULLY took advantage of 9-11 that it could almost be seen as a piece of circumstantial evidence to the administrations involvement in the attacks.
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This is no different than going to war with Germany as well as Japan during WWII, Germany didn't attack us and we could only assume they would, but we finished the job we did against the Weimar Republic in WW1.
 
LaMidRighter said:
I'm surprised that people like you are so far gone you believe the crap you're spewing, to the point you can't even acknowledge that someone who was there may know just a little more than you do. Such a cute little partisan.:2brickwal
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You're right!

Bush was there and he should know what he said to Richard Dearlove. He was going to go after Iraq and fix the intel over this issue. Then he went out and did it. It's not crap, it's Bush!
 
LaMidRighter said:
This is no different than going to war with Germany as well as Japan during WWII, Germany didn't attack us and we could only assume they would, but we finished the job we did against the Weimar Republic in WW1.
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No it is not!

We were attacked by the Japanese at Pearl Harbor.

Germany declared war on us.

Iraq did neither!
 
Billo_Really said:
Pity the poor neocon's!

All they have left is this Gaza war to get warm and fuzzy again.
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Do you even know what a neocon is? Are are you just recyling the same old talking points........again.

History is about to write the final chapter on these true American terrorists from the Project for a New American Century and it is not good. As we look back on what the neocon's have done to this country, that country, the world and everything inbetween, it can all be summed up in one word.............DESTROYED!
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Fine, then let history judge and quit bellyaching.

Neocon's have destroyed:
  • Iraq
  • Afganistan
  • US economy
  • Global economy
  • US reputation around the world
  • the Justice Dept
  • our heritage
  • our values
  • the sacrifices we made in other wars to stop aggression
  • freedom of speech
  • our Constitution
  • the Republican Party
  • democracy as we knew it
  • honest debates
  • this thread
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Negative on all fronts, but then again, I wouldn't expect you to understand why you're wrong, so I'll just focus my efforts elsewhere.
The list just goes on and on of their shock and awful way of viewing American power and the un-American way that it should be used. Even though they are such bad liars, I feel sorry for them and their dwindling sphere of inluence.
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I am waiting for the Dems to finish their little war on basic economics, but I'll be back to you in about six months, that is, if we still have electricity.
However, their vision was a little too despotic to come to fruitition.
I said years ago neocon's were mentally incapable of handling public office, it's nice to see the rest of the country has finally caught up.
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Please proofread so that your arguments make more sense, this is just a ranting baseless tangent, but thanks for playing.
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Billo_Really said:
No it is not!

We were attacked by the Japanese at Pearl Harbor.

Germany declared war on us.
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And Iraq declared war on our allies, we just took a while to finish it, but if you can't see the parallels then that's just too bad for you.

Iraq did neither!
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Uh.....yeah.....they did, pick up a history book.:roll:
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LaMidRighter said:
And Iraq declared war on our allies, we just took a while to finish it, but if you can't see the parallels then that's just too bad for you.

Uh.....yeah.....they did, pick up a history book.:roll:
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No, I'd rather see you go get yours and back up the crap you just said. You stated Iraq declared war on our allies. What allies? Who made the declaration? And when was it made? Now go get your book and provide the link to corroborate your statement.

Pretty please with sugar on top!
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LaMidRighter said:
Do you even know what a neocon is? Are are you just recyling the same old talking points........again.

Fine, then let history judge and quit bellyaching.

[/LIST] Negative on all fronts, but then again, I wouldn't expect you to understand why you're wrong, so I'll just focus my efforts elsewhere. I am waiting for the Dems to finish their little war on basic economics, but I'll be back to you in about six months, that is, if we still have electricity.
Please proofread so that your arguments make more sense, this is just a ranting baseless tangent, but thanks for playing.
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Oh I see, after 12 years of Republican rule, it's the Dems fault. Yeah, right! How does it feel to know the Reps won't be setting any policy until 2028?
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Billo_Really said:
LaMidRighter said:
No, I'd rather see you go get yours and back up the crap you just said. You stated Iraq declared war on our allies. What allies? Who made the declaration? And when was it made? Now go get your book and provide the link to corroborate your statement.

Pretty please with sugar on top!
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If you really need me to back that up it just proves once again that you either don't know what you are talking about, are trying to create your own history, or just don't even pay attention to what you are saying and just pick something that sounds good to back up your argument. I don't really care which of the above is the case since you have little to no credibility.
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Would you guys puh-leeze learn how to use the QUOTE tools? And preview your posts before you submit them. It'll make reading them, and getting your meaning, much easier.

Thanx!
 
Billo_Really said:
LaMidRighter said:
Oh I see, after 12 years of Republican rule, it's the Dems fault. Yeah, right! How does it feel to know the Reps won't be setting any policy until 2028?
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Spoken like a true hyper-partisan, did you ever do that economics homework I gave ya? Probably not since it would pretty much invalidate most of your anti-conservative **** talk. BTW, the Dems rules for over 40 straight years and had the majority of power during the depression, how'd those years work out? Oh yeah! Not so well. let's do some math here Billo, 12 years, even with an obstructionist with a veto pen, great economy for around the first 5 or 6 years, economic stability, gears in motion to start the shrinkage of government, etc., RINO republicans took charge, they were Democrat light, taxes didn't go up, but spending did, the economy STILL maintained it's momentum, but government didn't and should have shrunk, Dems take the house 2.1 years ago, within 6 months we had a sluggish economy, an economic bubble burst, hiring slowdowns, speak of higher taxes, and more spending. How do you explain that, I realize that economic movements take time, but how do YOU explain that rapid of a momentum change if it wasn't the current sitting fiscal policy makers, a market doesn't just go from sixth to first gear unless policy puts a wrench in it.
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The Raw Story | White House: Increase in terror attacks since 9/11 a success
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dirtpoorchris said:
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The Raw Story | White House: Increase in terror attacks since 9/11 a success
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Like I've said before :

We've had the battle of the bulge, now we're at over 50% obesity rates
We had the war on drugs... now the drugs are more potent, cheaper, and easier to get.
Now, we have a war on terrorism... what do we get?? More terrorism.

So, I'm sure they'll call the next global conflict : War on nuclear detonations, and the people will rejoice at the governments aims to 'help'.
 
Vice President Dick Cheney's admission that he authorized waterboarding has focused attention on possible Bush administration war crimes, and former Nixon White House counsel John Dean believes there will be "serious consequences" if the Obama administration tries to avoid singling out those involved for prosecution.

"I would be surprised if Cheney really wants to test the law," Dean told MSNBC's Keith Olbermann on Thursday, "but he's getting out there pretty close to it. I think most of the people who might be involved are trying to stay below the cover and hope that the statute of limitations ... will pass."
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The Raw Story | John Dean: 'Serious consequences' if Obama doesn't prosecute torture

Watch out dubya... The Big O is coming to town...
... and he's looking for you. :lol:
 
If Nancy Pelosi has any brains at all she will not push for this. The rabid left is demanding it, but if they go through with this there will be more divisiion in this nation. If the Democrats really want to unite us as they say then doing something like this will lead to their losing power. I hope they do.
 
walleye said:
If Nancy Pelosi has any brains at all she will not push for this. The rabid left is demanding it, but if they go through with this there will be more divisiion in this nation. If the Democrats really want to unite us as they say then doing something like this will lead to their losing power. I hope they do.
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The nation wants Bush to pay for his crimes. And I'm hopeful we can pressure Obama and Holder to prosecute them.
 
Hold on sissy leftists. The war criminals ,"Islam",are being prosecuted as we speak. In response to their crimes of terror,US and Israeli forces are executing the death penalty against Islamic terrorists around the world ,on many battle fields,without prejudice.
 
Rodney said:
Hold on sissy leftists.
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It will take a big pair to go after Bush and his thugs. It won't be easy, politically, for reasons you probably can't understand.

Calling those of us who insist on the rule of law "sissy" is nothing more then name calling because you know Bush is guilty. You just don't like hearing it.

We shall see what we shall see.
 
ADK_Forever said:
The nation wants Bush to pay for his crimes. And I'm hopeful we can pressure Obama and Holder to prosecute them.
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No, "the nation" does not, only the rabid leftist moonbats do. If Bush committed war crimes then Roosevelt and every other president who led America in wartime committed war crimes. I disagree totally with your statement.
 
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