View Poll Results: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

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  • Yes we will see them and they are justified.

    5 7.81%
  • Yes we will see them but they will not be justified.

    4 6.25%
  • No we will not see them but they would have been justified.

    21 32.81%
  • No we will not see them and they would not have been justified.

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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

    If Bush were really HItler, the Bush haters on this board would have been made into lampshades along time ago and the others would be too terrified to spew their BDS nonsense here where anyone who understands computer forensics can find out who they are in a matter of minutes.
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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    If Bush were really HItler, the Bush haters on this board would have been made into lampshades along time ago and the others would be too terrified to spew their BDS nonsense here where anyone who understands computer forensics can find out who they are in a matter of minutes.
    Don't you mean, "BVD" nonsense?

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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    American values according to situation right Billo? The dictator that invades nations in Europe gets hunted down and either kills himself (Hitler) or captured and placed on trial (Milosevic) to die in prison. The dictator in the Middle East gets walked back to his throne to be maintained for over a decade while he punishes his people and scoffs at that international body by denying them access and threatens the soveriegnty of three more nations.

    Our values have been wrecked ever since we ventured out in the world Europe created. After all all three 20th century explosions or crisis (WWI, WWII, Cold War) started in Europe. The problem is that we can't maintain our American values all the time and deal with the European messes we are expected to deal with. Would you have prefered an all out nuclear war with the Soviets or the dictator support game we both played to spread a specific influence to maintain a sense of stability, which we would later equate ot "peace" no matter who sufferred underneath.

    The rule of law would have Hitler throwing himself parades as he burned people alive his entire life as long as he satisfied his quench for death inside Germany. The rule of law would have genocides in Africa dealt with if the UN applied the word (genocide) towards the situation. The rule of law is selective and is only scrutinized when we need an action done or when we wish to protest an action.






    And...by the way....Hypocracy lives in all people and governments. I just showed you a little bit of that with yor argument of "American values" or international "rule of law." Know any body else who dropped two atomic bombs on civilian cities and preaches to the rest of the world that they will not use or even develop nuclear weapons? And how much of the West was more than willing to watch Africans suffer genocide, yet move the earth to stop it in Europe as a matter of international law during the same period? Protestors. Always swimming in exaggeration and fantasy.

    Like I stated earlier, the only thing "un-American" is losing. Which is why Vietnam stands out so boldy to us.
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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    If Bush were really HItler, the Bush haters on this board would have been made into lampshades along time ago and the others would be too terrified to spew their BDS nonsense here where anyone who understands computer forensics can find out who they are in a matter of minutes.
    He is not Hitler. I think he is more like Hitler 2.0. Learned and wise from Hitler and not bound to make the same mistakes.
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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    He is not Hitler. I think he is more like Hitler 2.0. Learned and wise from Hitler and not bound to make the same mistakes.
    I'm about as against Bush as one can legally get, but Bush is not Hitler.

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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Well, here is the problem with this. Haven't you been on that band wagon of accusing Bush of being a "Hitler," or comparing Gitmo to a "Gulag," or flirting with the "genocide" aspect?

    When protestors "choose" to protest in this manner they neglect to appreciate what they are actually implying. If "Hitler" is in the White House, then what does this say about his troops? If Bush is guilty of "genocide," what does this say about his troops? If Gitmo is a "Gulag," then what does this say about the troops that run it? I believe Hitler's troops found no safe haven when they tried to defend themselves by stating that they were just "following orders."

    There have been no mass slaughtering or engineered mechanism to slaughter Muslims simply because they are Muslims, yet the "Hitler" aspect was and is a favorite amongst protestors. (Funny how the actual engineered slaughterings of Muslims by Muslims gets defended and absolved while protestors seek to blame America for their doing.) Even with religious rights, nourishment, and medical care, Gitmo is compared to a "Gulag."

    Yet, the bumper sticker protests and exaggerated accusations go on simply because the protestor lacks the ability to be honest and the intelligence to build a proper case without those exaggerations. If Bush is a "Hitler," then the American troop is a "stormtrooper." And if Bush is to be accused of war crimes, what does this mean about every single troop that fired a rifle? Were we just following orders like good Nazis?

    I've never called Bush "Hitler" or made such a reference. As bad a President as Bush was, his level of "evilness" has not risen to the level of Hitler or Genocide.

    However, I believe there is ample and abundant evidence that Cheney and Rumsfield had a three decade old neo-con/imperialism agenda of invading Iraq and had tried unsuccessfully to implement their agenda for decades. GWB was simply dumb enough to allow them to fulfill it...and 9/11 became the perfect ploy to manipulate the public into going along.
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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I've never called Bush "Hitler" or made such a reference. As bad a President as Bush was, his level of "evilness" has not risen to the level of Hitler or Genocide.

    However, I believe there is ample and abundant evidence that Cheney and Rumsfield had a three decade old neo-con/imperialism agenda of invading Iraq and had tried unsuccessfully to implement their agenda for decades. GWB was simply dumb enough to allow them to fulfill it...and 9/11 became the perfect ploy to manipulate the public into going along.
    what about clinton? he wanted "regime change" as well....


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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post

    However, I believe there is ample and abundant evidence that Cheney and Rumsfield had a three decade old neo-con/imperialism agenda of invading Iraq and had tried unsuccessfully to implement their agenda for decades. GWB was simply dumb enough to allow them to fulfill it...and 9/11 became the perfect ploy to manipulate the public into going along.
    Well, damn. You believe entirely wrong. Here are the facts......


    1996 ~ Cheney and Rumsfeld was of the opinion that the first Bush was right in regards to containment of the dictator vice taking him out. In typical party partisan slavery theme, they bagan criticizing Clinton in 1996 for allowing Hussein to play his games. All of a sudden they changed their minds and began calling for regime change. This is public record.


    1997 ~ Clinton, growing tired of the containment game with Hussein, spoke to the Pentagon and stated....."If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow by the knowledge that they can act with impunity, even in face of a clear message from the United Nations Security Council and clear evidence of a weapons of mass destruction program."

    1997 ~ Paul Wolfewitz is a NeoCon. Former Democrat spoiled during the Carter years, saw the future Reagan as that individual that would spread American values and democracy around the globe. He turned Republican. Like all the others, he became disenchanted when Bush decided that leaving the dictator to slaughter and cause trouble in Iraq was better than finishing the job. He (with Zalmay Khalilzad) penned an article in the Washington Post criticizing Clinton for continuing Hussein's game in 1997. It stated that "military action will need to be part, but only a part and not the main part."


    1998 ~ Congress passed and Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act, codifying the aim of regime change into U.S. law and authorizing nearly $100 million in Pentagon funds to support the Iraqi opposition. Perry and Albright both spoke on the matter in front of military officials, the public, and the UN Secuity Council. Operation Desert Fox was to follow.


    This had nothing to do with an agenda of decades and was a culmination of decisions made by three American presidents......

    Bush - We went from kicking the prick out only to allow him to be a thorn in Iraq for years.

    Clinton - To dealing with a policy of containment while deploying troops inside his country to deal with the hunmanitarian crisis and bombing him out every so often (Clinton four times in four years).

    Bush - To finally ripping the bandaid off and invading him to do what should have already been done.

    If you wish to paint Bush as "dumb enough" then start with Clinton, because he was actively seeking a way to do it as well. Clinton's words in 1998 after Operation Desert Fox...."After the attack we had no way to know how much of the proscribed material had been destroyed, but Iraq's ability to produce and deploy dangerous weapons had plainly beed reduced." A couple years later, Hussien would play his game again and kick out UN security inspectors as if hiding a program. He went on to fly military jets over Jordan and Saudi Arabia in 2002. One way or another it was clear that this prick was never going to stop his games and he had to go. Your criticisms of Bush are partisan and it is absolutely based on falsehoods and rhetorics.

    Congress was involved. Politicians from both sides were involved. Other nations were involved. Liberals and Conservatives spent years and years thinking that WMD was a good probablity given the Hussein never complied with UN demands to publicly destroy his programs. Hussein's quest to unilaterally destroy his own while leaving the rest of the region guessing about his power is what got him toppled.

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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Well, damn. You believe entirely wrong. Here are the facts......


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    Please quit trying to confuse folks with facts.

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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Well, damn. You believe entirely wrong. Here are the facts......


    1996 ~ Cheney and Rumsfeld was of the opinion ...
    You really need to go back to the 70's. Rumsfield and Cheney were instigating a plan to invade Iraq decades before you start you analysis.

    Any meaningful and accurate account needs to take that into account.
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