View Poll Results: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

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  • Yes we will see them and they are justified.

    5 7.81%
  • Yes we will see them but they will not be justified.

    4 6.25%
  • No we will not see them but they would have been justified.

    21 32.81%
  • No we will not see them and they would not have been justified.

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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Then you missed that whole part of it doesn't apply to our constitutional war powers, and even if it did, the UN is worthless, they wouldn't even hold Saddam accountable for his transgressions. What makes you think they would try to enforce anything against the U.S. even if it was valid?
    Oh but it does. Our Congress ratified that treaty. And that makes it part of our Constitution. So we broke our own law as well. And coming from a nation that is based on the rule of law, that makes us a bunch of ****ing hypocrits!

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    If you think the war caused this economy, then there are alot of things you need to read up on. First, learn the basics of what makes the U.S. economic engine run, second, learn how the wrong people over the past century or so choked it off, third what unnecessary and unconstitutional spending has been doing to it since the early 1900's, third leaving the gold standard, etc. The economy we have now has nothing whatsoever to do with the war.
    You think $12 billion a month for the last 6 years doesn't have an effect on our economy? Get your head out of the sand!

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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

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    Oh but it does. Our Congress ratified that treaty. And that makes it part of our Constitution. So we broke our own law as well. And coming from a nation that is based on the rule of law, that makes us a bunch of ****ing hypocrits!
    Nope, sorry, a treaty is only good up until it interferes with the duties of the U.S. constitution, a treaty cannot invalidate U.S. law, anything that would would be null and void in any proper court of law, because the agreement couldn't be legally made.

    You think $12 billion a month for the last 6 years doesn't have an effect on our economy? Get your head out of the sand!
    Of course it effects an economy, the economy goes up, as it does in all wars because of military needs. Care to adress why the economy has underperformed? Do you debate that the nineteen hundreds were the set up to this mess? If so, why?
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

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    Nope, sorry, a treaty is only good up until it interferes with the duties of the U.S. constitution, a treaty cannot invalidate U.S. law, anything that would would be null and void in any proper court of law, because the agreement couldn't be legally made.
    A treaty is one thing. International law is quite another.

    Besides, if Bush didn't think he broke the law he wouldn't have tried to write his own immunity into a new law.
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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

    Holy poo... Im the only one who voted yes. and yes. Maybe I am living in a fairy tale land.
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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post

    A treaty is one thing. International law is quite another.
    International law doesn't apply, and a treaty cannot be honored over the constitution(standard contract law), so they both are similar in that neither can apply. That was easy.

    Besides, if Bush didn't think he broke the law he wouldn't have tried to write his own immunity into a new law.
    Last I checked he has followed protocol.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    International law doesn't apply, ... That was easy.
    International law applies whenever... international laws are broken!
    As is the case here.

    Last I checked he has followed protocol.
    Considering your illogical interpretation of laws, you'll forgive me if I don't take your word on this.

    What's "easy" is owning you on this.
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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

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    International law applies whenever... international laws are broken!
    As is the case here.
    Apparently not, since our Supreme Court justices have a hard time applying it in court cases.



    Considering your illogical interpretation of laws, you'll forgive me if I don't take your word on this.
    Contract law and constitutional are logical, which is why I apply them to the intent of their wording.

    What's "easy" is owning you on this.
    Whatever you've gotta tell yourself, emotion is trumped by logic, and all I've seen from you is emotion.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    International law doesn't apply, and a treaty cannot be honored over the constitution(standard contract law), so they both are similar in that neither can apply. That was easy.
    It becomes common for walls of apathy to fall in heaps upon the earth with America is backed by piles of broken ones.
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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Nope, sorry, a treaty is only good up until it interferes with the duties of the U.S. constitution, a treaty cannot invalidate U.S. law, anything that would would be null and void in any proper court of law, because the agreement couldn't be legally made.
    You don't read the Constitution much, do ya? Any treaty our Congress ratifies becomes part of the Supreme Law of the Land. And once its a law, it stays a law, until Congress formally repeals it. Which, in this case, they never did.


    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Of course it effects an economy, the economy goes up, as it does in all wars because of military needs. Care to adress why the economy has underperformed? Do you debate that the nineteen hundreds were the set up to this mess? If so, why?
    This war is one of the causes for the downturn in the economy. The main reason for the downturn, is the Republican party. Starting with Ronald Reagan and Phil Gramm, we started taking away all the safeguards (Glass-Stiegal) Roosevelt put in after the first Wall St. collapse. Then Bill Clinton jumped in and kept the deregulating ball rolling during his Administration. This happens to be one of the issues I have with ole Bill. Then Bush came in and put the nail in the coffin. I realize both sides have blood on their hands over this, but it was the Republicans who had virtually 12 years of absolute power where they could of done something good for Americans, but they didn't. They went the opposite way and catered to the corporate oligarchy.

    Getting back to the war, have you looked at how much money goes to the Pentagon each year. Almost $900 billion dollars. And that's obscene. Which is why I go ballistic when I see you war-hawks post a bunch of crap! Enough is enough! Remember this, you are in the minority. The majority of American's are against this war.

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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

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    You don't read the Constitution much, do ya? Any treaty our Congress ratifies becomes part of the Supreme Law of the Land. And once its a law, it stays a law, until Congress formally repeals it. Which, in this case, they never did.
    LOL I know that, but cannot ratify any treaty that interferes with constitutional law, by contract law standards that would make anything along the lines of linternational law inadmissable, what part of that don't you get?


    This war is one of the causes for the downturn in the economy. The main reason for the downturn, is the Republican party. Starting with Ronald Reagan and Phil Gramm, we started taking away all the safeguards (Glass-Stiegal) Roosevelt put in after the first Wall St. collapse. Then Bill Clinton jumped in and kept the deregulating ball rolling during his Administration. This happens to be one of the issues I have with ole Bill. Then Bush came in and put the nail in the coffin. I realize both sides have blood on their hands over this, but it was the Republicans who had virtually 12 years of absolute power where they could of done something good for Americans, but they didn't. They went the opposite way and catered to the corporate oligarchy.
    You're a liberal partisan, so that answer was completely expected, and completely incorrect. Read the actual causes of this problem and then get back to me, I know it's gonna be awhile since that happens since there is over a centuries worth of damage, but I'm patient.

    Getting back to the war, have you looked at how much money goes to the Pentagon each year. Almost $900 billion dollars. And that's obscene. Which is why I go ballistic when I see you war-hawks post a bunch of crap! Enough is enough! Remember this, you are in the minority. The majority of American's are against this war.
    Defense spending IS constitutionally protected, AND mandated. If you want to complain about money, complain about what spending the constitution DOES NOT protect or mandate.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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