View Poll Results: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

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  • Yes we will see them and they are justified.

    5 7.81%
  • Yes we will see them but they will not be justified.

    4 6.25%
  • No we will not see them but they would have been justified.

    21 32.81%
  • No we will not see them and they would not have been justified.

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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Real Talk View Post
    God damn.
    Both of you. You need to learn to use the english language before you debate.
    I see things havent changed.

    Treason:
    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
    Artilce III Section 3, US Constititon.
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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Real Talk View Post
    God damn.
    My curiosity seems to have gotten the better of me again
    anyways
    Dictionary.com

    trea⋅son

    –noun
    1. the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
    2. a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.
    3. the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.



    Both of you. You need to learn to use the english language before you debate.
    Usually when the meaning you're trying to label is that far down the list its best to use a different word.

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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Usually when the meaning you're trying to label is that far down the list its best to use a different word.
    Its also helpful to cite a relevant source.

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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Usually when the meaning you're trying to label is that far down the list its best to use a different word.
    Maybe when 2 of 3 of the entries in the dictionary cover the crimes comitted you should understand what it is.
    It is not my fault if the only time you have heard the term treason is when someone has tried to overthrow a king. It can be used to describe all kinds of violation of duty to state. For example, serving in a foreign army fighting AMerica is likely treason. And misrepresenting inteligence, for example. If an adivsor lied to a king, he would be guilty of treason. And in a democracy, if an elected sovereign betrays a legal bond of his office to the people, this is treasonouse.
    Last edited by Real Talk; 12-23-08 at 10:31 AM.

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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Real Talk View Post
    Maybe when 2 of 3 of the entries in the dictionary cover the crimes comitted you should understand what it is.
    The dictionary's definition isnt relevant to US law.

    It is not my fault if the only time you have heard the term treason is when someone has tried to overthrow a king. It can be used to describe all kinds of abuses of power. It can be used to describe all kinds of violation of duty to state. And misrepresenting inteligence, for example. If an adivsor lied to a king, he would be guilty of treason. And in a democracy, if an elected sovereign betrays a legal bond of his office to the people, this is treasonouse
    Not according to US law, which is very specific as to its definition of treason.

    Now, you can not like the fact that you are wrong, but you should at least admit it, even if only to yourself.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 12-23-08 at 10:50 AM.

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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Real Talk View Post
    Maybe when 2 of 3 of the entries in the dictionary cover the crimes comitted you should understand what it is.
    It is not my fault if the only time you have heard the term treason is when someone has tried to overthrow a king. It can be used to describe all kinds of violation of duty to state. For example, serving in a foreign army fighting AMerica is likely treason. And misrepresenting inteligence, for example. If an adivsor lied to a king, he would be guilty of treason. And in a democracy, if an elected sovereign betrays a legal bond of his office to the people, this is treasonouse.
    Which one applies besides -

    3. the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.
    And can you give any examples which my suggest your assertion is true?

    I don't like Bush either, but he is not guilty of treason.

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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Which one applies besides -
    3. the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.
    And can you give any examples which my suggest your assertion is true?
    As if -that- standard is relevant...

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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    As if -that- standard is relevant...
    You may enjoy debating other people in your own restricted context, but I do not. I think its a cheap self-satisfying practice and rarely results in interesting or meaningful debate.

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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    You may enjoy debating other people in your own restricted context, but I do not. I think its a cheap self-satisfying practice and rarely results in interesting or meaningful debate.
    For a debate to be meaningful, the debate must remain in the relevant context.
    In this case, the relevant context is what defines treason under US law.
    That being the case, no definition other than that found in US law need apply.

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    Re: Will we see war crime prosecutions, and are they justified?

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Which one applies besides -



    And can you give any examples which my suggest your assertion is true?

    I don't like Bush either, but he is not guilty of treason.
    Ibelieve that lying to his people about weapons of mass destruction and links to al queda constitutes "2. a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state."

    His alliegance to the state required giving honest information to his citizens. In my opinion. And if I am incorect, and it did not require this, then it should.

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