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  • Federal registration of guns

    16 47.06%
  • Federal licensing of gun owners

    13 38.24%
  • Instant background checks for dealer transfers

    18 52.94%
  • Instant background checks for private transfers

    15 44.12%
  • 5-day waiting periods for handgun purchases

    10 29.41%
  • 5-day waiting period for all gun purchases

    9 26.47%
  • Ban guns from felons and those adjudicated ‘mentally infirm’

    25 73.53%
  • Ban handguns

    2 5.88%
  • Ban ‘assault weapons’

    4 11.76%
  • Other (specify)

    11 32.35%
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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Regardless, I don't believe libel and slander can be placed on the same level as murder. Not to mention it is usually not difficult to determine the offender which is simply not the case where guns are concerned
    You can cause a lot of damage with slander. And what about libel? If something is published anonymously, how are you going to find out? Won't someone please think of the children!
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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by shiznit770 View Post
    Again, comparing it to a drastically different issue.
    No... the 'issue' you raised is that 'it will help solve crime'.

    Ignoring the 4th amendment will solve a LOT more crime than gun licensing and registration, given that the number of crimes committed with a gun is very low compared to the number of total (even just violent) crimes.

    So, any argument you make for ignoring the 2nd 'because it will help solve crimes' applies just that much more for ignoring the 4th amendment.

    Why is it again that you do not advocate we ignore the 4th amendment in order to solve crimes?

    License and Registration are something you volunteer into and are transparent processes.
    No, they are not. You are -required- to do these things, if you want to exercise your right, and these things are not an inherent component to the exercise of that right. That means they are an infringement.

    If you took away every law that "infringed" on our rights there would be little left.
    That in no way creates a sound agument for infringing the right to arms.

    The constitution is not some perfect creation...
    Then amend it, rather than simply ignoring it.

    Regardless, I don't believe libel and slander can be placed on the same level as murder.
    Regardless, boith are banned because both cause sufficient level of 'harm' to warrant them being banned.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 12-18-08 at 12:55 PM.

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Only based on time/place/manner, and if you are protesting on public property.
    This doesnt in any way create an argument that you can require a permit for simple posession of a firearm.
    Why not? It's still prior restraint by your definition, and permits can be denied which would be infringement by your definition

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    Why not? It's still prior restraint by your definition...
    No.

    Parade/protest permits aren't required because of the content, or even the potential content, of the parade -- and expressedly CANNOT be denied because of those things -- but because they use public property and, often, public resources.

    Given that, the right in question here isnt the right to free speech or to assemble, but the right to do those things on public property.

    And so, none of that relates to simple posession of a firearm.
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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No.

    Parade/protest permits aren't required because of the content, or even the potential content, of the parade -- and expressedly CANNOT be denied because of those things -- but because they use public property and, often, public resources.

    Given that, they ARE an inherent part of the right to assemble, etc, should that right be exercised on public property.

    And so, none of that relates to simple posession of a firearm.
    Question: Would you be in favor of permits to posses firearms outside of the home in public property?

    I'm just curious as to whether this would be an infringement. One can posses firearms in the home, and should be allowed to do so without any hindrance whatsoever, but I feel that local govenrments (not the federal govenrment) should also be allowed to have conceal carry permits and open carry permits with checks and such.

    Again, I think it should be a state thing though, and it relates to the State militia portion of the ammendemnt.
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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No.

    Parade/protest permits aren't required because of the content, or even the potential content, of the parade -- and expressedly CANNOT be denied because of those things -- but because they use public property and, often, public resources.

    Given that, the right in question here isnt the right to free speech or to assemble, but the right to do those things on public property.

    And so, none of that relates to simple posession of a firearm.
    Seems pretty analogous to a CCW permit to me.

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Question: Would you be in favor of permits to posses firearms outside of the home in public property?
    Posession? No.

    You MIGHT be able to convince me that a permit to USE a firearm on public property (in the same vein as parade permits) might not be a violation of the 2nd as it addresses the right to use public property rather the right to own/use a gun.

    Again, I think it should be a state thing though, and it relates to the State militia portion of the ammendemnt.
    Certainly.

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    Seems pretty analogous to a CCW permit to me.
    See post #87.

    And, again -- this has nothing to do with simple posession.

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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You MIGHT be able to convince me that a permit to USE a firearm on public property...
    The way you worded that with the caps got a chuckle out of me.


    Thinking of it though, if there were no permits necessary for possesion on public property, then there couldn't really be a requirement for a permit regarding certain uses of the weapon on public grounds (specifically defensive purposes).

    But someone hunting pigeons in Central Park should probably need a permit of some sort.
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    Re: What is "common sense" gun control?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The way you worded that with the caps got a chuckle out of me.
    Tone is so hard to judge on a message board.

    Thinking of it though, if there were no permits necessary for possesion on public property, then there couldn't really be a requirement for a permit regarding certain uses of the weapon on public grounds (specifically defensive purposes).
    Posession and use are different things; the use, rather than the posession, of the firearm is always the issue when regarding guns, as the use of the gun is what causes harm to others.
    Simple posession harms, and can harm, no one.

    But someone hunting pigeons in Central Park should probably need a permit of some sort.
    Probably

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